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First talks of impeachment.
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#51
RE: First talks of impeachment.
May 19, 2017 at 9:02 pm
De facto is not de jure.
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RE: First talks of impeachment.
May 19, 2017 at 9:15 pm
(May 19, 2017 at 9:02 pm)Minimalist Wrote: De facto is not de jure.

If you say so. I say it's a distinction without a damn bit of difference, especially to the dead and displaced.
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RE: First talks of impeachment.
May 20, 2017 at 12:13 am (This post was last modified: May 20, 2017 at 12:18 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
(May 19, 2017 at 7:40 pm)Luckie Wrote:
(May 19, 2017 at 6:48 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Legally speaking, that is any time Congress has not declared war on another nation.

That'll be $15.

So the Iraq war wasn't a war?

I'll take "equivocation" for $500, Alex.

I clearly specified "legally" in my answer to Crunchy.
(May 19, 2017 at 8:57 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I dunno, just because a de jour declaration of war hasn't occurred, certainly doesn't mean a de facto state of war does not exist.

Congress has the power to declare war.  Continuing to fund a de facto war makes that declaration evident whether it was made officially or not.

The point was that treason, legally, can only happen in times of war. And because in a court the term "time of war" also has a legal meaning, it's best to pay attention to that sort of thing.

You want to convict Trump of treason? You'll need to first show that a state of war exists.

Legally speaking, regarding Russia (which was the context of my comment), it does not.

Yes, wars happen without declarations. But we're talking law here, not fact.

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RE: First talks of impeachment.
May 20, 2017 at 1:01 am (This post was last modified: May 20, 2017 at 1:04 am by Jackalope.)
In that context I completely agree.  I was addressing a tangential issue.  I wasn't clear on that.

ETA - FWIW I'm well aware of the requirements do treason and I don't think that bar has been crossed, I said so in another post, perhaps in this thread. NBD.
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RE: First talks of impeachment.
May 20, 2017 at 1:54 am
(May 19, 2017 at 9:15 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:
(May 19, 2017 at 9:02 pm)Minimalist Wrote: De facto is not de jure.

If you say so.  I say it's a distinction without a damn bit of difference, especially to the dead and displaced.

Nothing matters to the dead.
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RE: First talks of impeachment.
May 20, 2017 at 4:26 am
(May 19, 2017 at 8:26 pm)Minimalist Wrote: No.  We haven't bothered to declare war since 1941.  Now we like to call it something else.

We have lots of euphemisms for not minding our own fucking business.

Chelsea Manning was convicted of treason wasn't she?



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RE: First talks of impeachment.
May 20, 2017 at 11:34 pm
(May 20, 2017 at 4:26 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(May 19, 2017 at 8:26 pm)Minimalist Wrote: No.  We haven't bothered to declare war since 1941.  Now we like to call it something else.

We have lots of euphemisms for not minding our own fucking business.

Chelsea Manning was convicted of treason wasn't she?

Nope. Espionage, IIRC.
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RE: First talks of impeachment.
May 22, 2017 at 11:58 am (This post was last modified: May 22, 2017 at 11:58 am by dyresand.)
If we were to impeach trump id say impeach pence as well... because he would be worse than trump really.
then next would be getting his cabinet picks out of the way betty devos should be number one on that list really.
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RE: First talks of impeachment.
May 22, 2017 at 12:27 pm
(May 22, 2017 at 11:58 am)dyresand Wrote: If we were to impeach trump id say impeach pence as well... because he would  be worse than trump really.
then next would be getting his cabinet picks out of the way betty devos should be number one on that list really.

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RE: First talks of impeachment.
May 22, 2017 at 1:26 pm
(May 22, 2017 at 12:27 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(May 22, 2017 at 11:58 am)dyresand Wrote: If we were to impeach trump id say impeach pence as well... because he would  be worse than trump really.
then next would be getting his cabinet picks out of the way betty devos should be number one on that list really.

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^ honestly i think he would make a okay president
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