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Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
#11
RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
(May 31, 2017 at 11:50 am)Chad32 Wrote:
(May 31, 2017 at 11:35 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: It literally had the most progressive platform ever in 2016.

Which progressive ideals were missing?

Which was? I don't even remember what their platform was, besides maintaining the status quo, and platitudes. What did they stand for?

https://www.democrats.org/party-platform
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#12
RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
(May 31, 2017 at 12:04 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:
(May 31, 2017 at 11:50 am)Chad32 Wrote: Which was? I don't even remember what their platform was, besides maintaining the status quo, and platitudes. What did they stand for?

https://www.democrats.org/party-platform

Well maybe we wouldn't have to look it up if Hillary talked more about issues in her speeches. When Bernie lost, he went to town halls, and wrote up some bills. Hillary lost, and ran off into the woods. We know what Bernie stood for, because he talked about it. We didn't hear Hillary say nearly as m
much about policy.
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#13
RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
If I lost to a Trump I'd say "fuck yall, fuck this, I'm out" and vacay in the woods indefinitely, myself. Hillary -did- talk about issues, all the time..it;s just that the narrative was drowned out in the circus that was the trump candidacy.
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#14
RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
(May 31, 2017 at 11:50 am)Chad32 Wrote:
(May 31, 2017 at 11:35 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: It literally had the most progressive platform ever in 2016.

Which progressive ideals were missing?

Which was? I don't even remember what their platform was, besides maintaining the status quo, and platitudes. What did they stand for?

Perhaps you should have read it?  And perhaps you should have read the republicunt platform so you understood the difference?
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#15
RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
(May 31, 2017 at 12:11 pm)Chad32 Wrote:
(May 31, 2017 at 12:04 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: https://www.democrats.org/party-platform

Well maybe we wouldn't have to look it up if Hillary talked more about issues in her speeches. When Bernie lost, he went to town halls, and wrote up some bills. Hillary lost, and ran off into the woods. We know what Bernie stood for, because he talked about it. We didn't hear Hillary say nearly as m
much about policy.

I didn't have to look it up. You did. The fact that you haven't even seen the Democratic Party platform and just wrote it off as pandering to centrists is pretty telling. It's been up, in this form, since before the convention almost a year ago. Bernie brought her and the party to the left. I voted for Bernie in the primaries. He lost by quite a comfortable margin. I agree the coverage of his campaign by the media was fucked, and the DNC was treasonous to its own people. But Hillary talked about this shit. Depending on who you talk to, talking too much about progressive issues was "why she lost."

When Bernie lost, he was a United States Senator. When Hillary lost, she was an unemployed woman who lost to a pussy grabbing man child who courted racists. When you get rejected by America in lieu of Donald Trump and you don't have any other commitments, maybe you get out of the public spotlight for a while. I am no fan of Hillary, and I hope she stays in the private sector making speeches. But the blind, seething hatred for Hillary Clinton was fomented not in small part by Russian social media campaigns during primary season, which were accepted whole heart by some Bernie supporters who saw her as the enemy, and they couldn't shake it once the primaries were over. It's so irrational in the face of Donald Trump---her platform, her issues, her voting record---you'd be hard pressed to find great chasms of difference in progressive or liberal issues and what she clearly stood for. People just bought into the Fox News hatred.
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
(May 31, 2017 at 12:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(May 31, 2017 at 11:50 am)Chad32 Wrote: Which was? I don't even remember what their platform was, besides maintaining the status quo, and platitudes. What did they stand for?

Perhaps you should have read it?  And perhaps you should have read the republicunt platform so you understood the difference?

I watch speeches, and notice that very little of Hillary's speeches and ads actually talk about substance. So how much of the platform does Hillary really support? Hard to say, because she didn't talk or fight for much. Bernie had to pull her to the left, to void her "general run pivot". When someone says they have a public and private position, it means you can't trust what some website says she endorses.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#17
RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
Put up a speech you watched?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#18
RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
(May 31, 2017 at 12:57 pm)Chad32 Wrote:
(May 31, 2017 at 12:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Perhaps you should have read it?  And perhaps you should have read the republicunt platform so you understood the difference?

I watch speeches, and notice that very little of Hillary's speeches and ads actually talk about substance. So how much of the platform does Hillary really support? Hard to say, because she didn't talk or fight for much. Bernie had to pull her to the left, to void her "general run pivot". When someone says they have a public and private position, it means you can't trust what some website says she endorses.

Do you seriously think that if Hillary was president the US would be pulling out of the Paris Accords, insulting our NATO allies, kissing Putin's ass, and have a president who acts like a high school sophmore?  She may have spoken to Goldman Sachs but the WLB put them in charge of the Treasury Department.

You need to be tougher on your enemies than you are on your friends.  Look where we are now.
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
Steel, almost everyone I know who voted for Hillary, despised her long before Russia bots. When the email thing came out I laughed to myself because I thought, "is that all they have?!".
Personally I haven't liked her since she and Obama made it clear they were in big business' pockets during Obamas presidency. That added to the fact she stayed with what I believe to be a sexual predator of a husband.. and, yeah. Granted I was quite late to the negative news presses with her (she was wayyyy wrong on Iraq) but I wasn't Russian bot late!

I think you underestimate the disdain people already had for her before Russia meddled. Maybe it's because the Republicans hung her out on a stake for 12 Benghazi investigations just to give pepole a bad taste in their mouths at the sight of her.. I'm not sure. I just remember in the far beginnings of the Democratic primaries most everyone I knew said "anyone but her".

(May 31, 2017 at 1:01 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Put up a speech you watched?

I think you and Chad are right. When she waS able to talk, she pretty much parroted Bernie after she swamped him. Trump news and views overran everything and everyone. I had to make a point of it to hear her message, which is more than most Americans are even willing to do. 


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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
(May 31, 2017 at 4:16 pm)Luckie Wrote: Steel, almost everyone I know who voted for Hillary, despised her long before Russia bots. When the email thing came out I laughed to myself because I thought, "is that all they have?!".
Personally I haven't liked her since she and Obama made it clear they were in big business' pockets during Obamas presidency. That added to the fact she stayed with what I believe to be a sexual predator of a husband.. and, yeah. Granted I was quite late to the negative news presses with her (she was wayyyy wrong on Iraq) but I wasn't Russian bot late!

I think you underestimate the disdain people already had for her before Russia meddled. Maybe it's because the Republicans hung her out on a stake for 12 Benghazi investigations just to give pepole a bad taste in their mouths at the sight of her.. I'm not sure. I just remember in the far beginnings of the Democratic primaries most everyone I knew said "anyone but her".

First off, big business and politics are married. Sorry. That ship has sailed. Until Citizens United is repealed and campaign finance reform is passed and dark money is rooted out, politicians who want to win will be playing the game with the current rules. You're not going to like any candidate that runs for office on either side of the aisle. You want to be a politician? You better have connections. Good luck to Bernie (who still has big business ties, but much less so) who I'll vote for a million times, but he's 1 person from a tiny state in a sea of politicians on both sides that are playing the game. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're going to write off every major Dem who runs because they have connections to big business, even if they align politically with you. Liberals are doomed with this mentality. Change the game once you're in charge, but play the game your opponent is playing. Unless you're a billionaire. Then you can play your own game.

I'm not sure what to say about a woman's choice to stay with her husband. That's on her, and there are 1000 reasons why in the 80's and 90's a woman with a political future wouldn't leave an unfaithful, predatory, but politically powerful husband. Maybe she loves him, maybe she's using him--I don't care, it's none of my business. I won't blame a woman for the shitty things a man does.

The Iraq thing? Seriously? She was the Senator from New York. Have you seen what the public polls from New York were about going to war? Disregarding Fox News, at the time of the vote, most polls showed that around 70% of the nation, much less the state that was attacked, approved of the war. As an elected representative, of course she voted for the Iraq war. I was 18, if you asked me at the time, I would have told you I supported the Iraq war. I now know that to be wrong, and she was unequivocal. This Iraq war thing is so ridiculous---straight out of the Russian propaganda. The Russians started in early primary season, the end of 2014. They knew if they could stoke outrage on both sides of the primary fight, they could get people to carry it over after the primary was over. They knew if people hated Hillary who voted for Bernie, and if people hated Bernie who voted for Hillary, they could keep it going after one of them won. It worked like a charm.

No, I don't underestimate the hatred. I discount it as typical liberal ideological purity---foolishness. No one needs to love their presidential candidate. She was probably the most capable presidential candidate in decades, she had a near perfect political record, she was running on a progressive platform, and people didn't vote because she took money from Goldman Sachs and was shitty with cybersecurity, and once voted along with the population and had 8 straight years of Fox News/GOP mud caked on her. Liberals have a problem with ideological purity, and it is going to cost us until we wake the fuck up.
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