Fatwa declares suicide attacks as Haram

[Kitan Etos]

[Jackalope]

I'm skeptical that this is going to do jack shit.

[Kitan Etos]

I'm skeptical that this is going to do jack shit.

I agree. The extremists will ignore it and it is highly doubtful that Islam will actually enforce any sort of punishment for those who abuse the law.

[chimp3]

I wonder how much scholarly study and debate it required to come up with that? They should have asked me.

[Chad32]

It's great that they have it on paper. We'll have to see how well it's enforced.

[vorlon13]

It's great that they have it on paper. We'll have to see how well it's enforced.

'Enforcement' might take the form of 31 decapitations . . . 


sorry to be cynical (not really) but differing interpretations of differing interpretations of a Holy tome that is itself rife with contradictions on this and most other topics ain't gonna do shit to stop the problem.  I'd posit a step up in that kind of activity in fact, just to emphasize how visceral the disagreement to that fatwa will be.

[Minimalist]

I'm sure there are 31 suicide bombers preparing to take out those 31 infidel loving assholes.  Let's see, 31 x 72 = 2,232 virgins.  That's a metric fuckton of virgins to have to come up with, allah.  Good luck.

[brewer]

Let's ask the Pope to pray for effectiveness and implementation.

[vorlon13]

The terrorists view themselves as 'pious', so being castigated negatively isn't going to do anything except flag some more as enemies of Allah needing to be slaughtered.


I think we need to start thinking about these members of ISIS, and other groups, as pious too. Actions against them need to be understood and designed with that in mind, as it is how they see themselves. They start getting the idea they are dying as apostates instead of martyrs, might have more impact on the problem.

[Crunchy]

The problem is not with Islamic fundamentalists, it's with the fundamentals of Islam.

Muhammad was a sex slave owning conquering warlord who conducted a violent and successful insurgency and received all of his Sura (the quran) while conducting this violent insurgency. He received his sura on an "as needed" basis as he was conquering Arabia.  Much of Islam is therefore concerned with rules handed from god to Muhammad about how to conduct a violent insurgency. 

Violent insurgency is hardwired into Islam and there's no changing that. Ever! 

Yes, Muhammed spoke of other things, but the violent insurgent ideology doesn't go away just because moderate muslims and liberal westerners reject that part of it or pretend it's not there. In fact, fundamentalists will simply treat this group of scholars as infidels since they are clearly going against much of what Muhammad said and did.

Don't be surprised to find some of these scholars turning up dead.