Organic Molecules Found 400 Light Years From Earth

[brewer]

Why don't you man up now and put forward what your presuppositions are? Or are you afraid as it might make you feel uncomfortable for someone else to evaluate your line of thinking? So instead...you put forth nonsense like "Superman is real, OK, go". How does one provide an explanation of where the laws of logic come from with Superman as your presupposition? Etc, Etc.  There you go. Now...why don't you look real deep into yourself and explain what yours really are?

You seem too content just to sit immersed with those who agree with you instead of trying to actually understand another point of view. You can say my presuppositions are a non-starter for you and never go through the mental exercise to determine if it is a logically consistent position to see where I am coming from. That is your prerogative. As for me, I like to see how others think as it helps me hone my own position.

My presupposition is that your belief is fantasy and that there is no god.

Superman can provide as much logic as your god, probably more and better. 

Demonstrate your logically consistent position. I'm sure that for any god position you put forward I can make the same or very similar position for Superman. 

How do you hone your position? Change the fantasy so that it side steps any challenge?

[Jackie]

Why don't you man up now and put forward what your presuppositions are? Or are you afraid as it might make you feel uncomfortable for someone else to evaluate your line of thinking? So instead...you put forth nonsense like "Superman is real, OK, go". How does one provide an explanation of where the laws of logic come from with Superman as your presupposition? Etc, Etc.  There you go. Now...why don't you look real deep into yourself and explain what yours really are?

You seem too content just to sit immersed with those who agree with you instead of trying to actually understand another point of view. You can say my presuppositions are a non-starter for you and never go through the mental exercise to determine if it is a logically consistent position to see where I am coming from. That is your prerogative. As for me, I like to see how others think as it helps me hone my own position.

My presupposition is that your belief is fantasy and that there is no god.

Superman can provide as much logic as your god, probably more and better. 

Demonstrate your logically consistent position. I'm sure that for any god position you put forward I can make the same or very similar position for Superman. 

How do you hone your position? Change the fantasy so that it side steps any challenge?

[rjh4 is back]

No idiot, when it comes to pursuit of scientific fact YES any claim a scientist might make CAN BE independently tested and falsified. 

Wasn't it you that said evolution (meaning common descent) is a scientific fact? Please tell me how evolution (common descent), something that began in the distant past, can be tested and falsified/confirmed. Evolution (things change) can but not the other. At best, for things that happened in the past, not repeatable in the here and now, one can interpret things in terms or probabilities. That is quite different from what you are talking about.

I wonder...would you agree with the following statement:

There is no absolute truth.

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Why don't you man up now and put forward what your presuppositions are? Or are you afraid as it might make you feel uncomfortable for someone else to evaluate your line of thinking? So instead...you put forth nonsense like "Superman is real, OK, go". How does one provide an explanation of where the laws of logic come from with Superman as your presupposition? Etc, Etc.  There you go. Now...why don't you look real deep into yourself and explain what yours really are?

You seem too content just to sit immersed with those who agree with you instead of trying to actually understand another point of view. You can say my presuppositions are a non-starter for you and never go through the mental exercise to determine if it is a logically consistent position to see where I am coming from. That is your prerogative. As for me, I like to see how others think as it helps me hone my own position.

My presupposition is that your belief is fantasy and that there is no god.

Superman can provide as much logic as your god, probably more and better. 

Demonstrate your logically consistent position. I'm sure that for any god position you put forward I can make the same or very similar position for Superman. 

How do you hone your position? Change the fantasy so that it side steps any challenge?

You know the last time I was here, there were some atheists that were actually willing to discuss their positions. I guess that time is gone. Sad.

[brewer]

You know the last time I was here, there were some atheists that were actually willing to discuss their positions. I guess that time is gone. Sad.

Boo fuckin Hoo.

[Jackie]

No idiot, when it comes to pursuit of scientific fact YES any claim a scientist might make CAN BE independently tested and falsified. 

Wasn't it you that said evolution (meaning common descent) is a scientific fact? Please tell me how evolution (common descent), something that began in the distant past, can be tested and falsified/confirmed. Evolution (things change) can but not the other. At best, for things that happened in the past, not repeatable in the here and now, one can interpret things in terms or probabilities. That is quite different from what you are talking about.

I wonder...would you agree with the following statement:

There is no absolute truth.

First off you moron, you DON'T have to be a witness to the past to figure things out. How the fuck do you think cops catch murderers? It is very rare law enforcement witnesses a crime when it happens. They get called after the fact and find GASP clues you fucking idiot!

Fingerprints, blood, DNA, computer searches, weapons,  cell phone records ect ect. 

Evolution is proven fact in much the same way because of DNA and fossil findings. 

Even out side of evolution, we also know the age of the universe using the same principles a traffic cop uses AFTER they arrive at the scene of a car crash they DID NOT WITNESS, and that principle is FUCKING MATH. They can figure out who was at fault using basic measurement and interviews of those involved, without having seen it live. 

And again, if you are going to ignore that other humans with different religious clubs and different god claims ALSO make the same argument you are with me right now, I cant help you. It is up to you to figure this out on your own. But if you chose to continue to stay here and peddle your mythology, don't expect me to coddle it.

[Rhondazvous]

So Minimalist provides this article stating that scientists have found a sugar molecule and methyl isocyanate in a distant star system and that this is a clue as to how life formed and nobody here thought to push back at this at all??? Amazing!!

Maybe the following question would be appropriate:

Given that sugars and methyl isocyanate already exist here on earth and still no scientist that I know of has come up with a natrualistic mechanism for forming life from non-life, how does finding these materials in a distant star system provide any more clues to how life formed than anything that we already know?

Or maybe simply:

Scientists have found a sugar molecule and methyl isocyanate in a distant star system...so what?

Perhaps no atheists wanted to push back as doing so might highlight the lack of any known naturalistic mechanism for forming life from non-life????

C'mon, Minimalist, explain the significance of the finding such that any story whatsoever would be needed from a creationist or anyone else.

Have at it guys!!

There are a lot of things scientists haven't found yet. But when scientists have found what was previously attributed to god, Christians lack the sense to take heir feet out of their mouths. Case in point, you still argue that the earth is flat and believe in a book that says god created the grass and trees before he created the sun and moon.

[Jackie]

Certainly there is no "absolute truth" in regards to the future.

But looking at our modern data today, there are certainly claims we can safely discard without the needless fear of missing something, like Apollo, or Thor or Poseidon. How is it you rightfully accept those claims as bunk, because if you think the people who invented those claims back then didn't truly believe it them, you are a fool.

The ancient Egyptians falsely believed for 3,000 years that Ra and Osiris and Isis and Horus were real deities, but even after all that success, it turned out those gods were not real.

[The Valkyrie]

Certainly there is no "absolute truth" in regards to the future.

But looking at our modern data today, there are certainly claims we can safely discard without the needless fear of missing something, like Apollo, or Thor or Poseidon. How is it you rightfully accept those claims as bunk, because if you think the people who invented those claims back then didn't truly believe it them, you are a fool.

The ancient Egyptians falsely believed for 3,000 years that Ra and Osiris and Isis and Horus were real deities, but even after all that success, it turned out those gods were not real.

Wait!

What??

[Godscreated]

[Jackie]

Certainly there is no "absolute truth" in regards to the future.

But looking at our modern data today, there are certainly claims we can safely discard without the needless fear of missing something, like Apollo, or Thor or Poseidon. How is it you rightfully accept those claims as bunk, because if you think the people who invented those claims back then didn't truly believe it them, you are a fool.

The ancient Egyptians falsely believed for 3,000 years that Ra and Osiris and Isis and Horus were real deities, but even after all that success, it turned out those gods were not real.

Wait!

What??

DAMN YOU SCOOBY DOO, YOU CAUGHT ME IN ANOTHER FAKE NEWS LIE!

You got me, Ra, Osiris, Isis and Horus really exist. I'm just getting pissed that not everyone likes ABBA like I do.