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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
July 1, 2017 at 5:11 pm
(July 1, 2017 at 5:06 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: (July 1, 2017 at 5:04 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: I have read the Bible. And if God is limited in any way then he is not omnipotent. He cannot be all powerful and still have any limitations.
God of the bible is simply limited by the imagination of man; which is precisely why apologetics is a thing.
Yes, and he conveniently seems to be limited in whichever way they want/need him to be. All while claiming to believe the Bible that says he isn't limited at all
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
July 1, 2017 at 7:59 pm
(July 1, 2017 at 5:04 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: (June 30, 2017 at 10:16 pm)Godscreated Wrote: GC
Omnipotence has nothing to do with how God must deal with sin. He wiped out man once and we didn't learn. God's omnipotence doesn't allow Him to force you into Christianity. God is limited in certain ways because of who He is, that should be obvious if you've ever read the Bible.
I have read the Bible. And if God is limited in any way then he is not omnipotent. He cannot be all powerful and still have any limitations.
And just a quick note: If God cannot force me to believe, then he is not all powerful. You might want to say that God won't force someone to believe, even if he is capable of it.
Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, couldn't defeat iron chariots.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
July 1, 2017 at 9:20 pm
(July 1, 2017 at 7:59 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (July 1, 2017 at 5:04 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: I have read the Bible. And if God is limited in any way then he is not omnipotent. He cannot be all powerful and still have any limitations.
And just a quick note: If God cannot force me to believe, then he is not all powerful. You might want to say that God won't force someone to believe, even if he is capable of it.
Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, couldn't defeat iron chariots.
You wouldn't happen to remember where in the Bible that is, would you? I've heard it a lot but no one ever includes where I could find it lol. I have found it useful to be able to cite chapter and verse when dealing with Christians, otherwise they don't take you seriously :/
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
July 1, 2017 at 9:53 pm
(July 1, 2017 at 9:20 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: (July 1, 2017 at 7:59 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, couldn't defeat iron chariots.
You wouldn't happen to remember where in the Bible that is, would you? I've heard it a lot but no one ever includes where I could find it lol. I have found it useful to be able to cite chapter and verse when dealing with Christians, otherwise they don't take you seriously :/
I can't imagine it being beyond the reach of google.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
July 2, 2017 at 2:28 am
(July 1, 2017 at 9:20 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: (July 1, 2017 at 7:59 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, couldn't defeat iron chariots.
You wouldn't happen to remember where in the Bible that is, would you? I've heard it a lot but no one ever includes where I could find it lol. I have found it useful to be able to cite chapter and verse when dealing with Christians, otherwise they don't take you seriously :/
Judges 1:19 = https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Judges%201:19
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
July 3, 2017 at 12:02 pm
Godscreated Wrote:Mister Agenda Wrote:I don't recall ever having made that exact statement previously, so I don't see why I would be tired of it. But I love finding out I'm wrong about something: I seem to have been out the day my statement was shown to be false, would you demonstrate its falseness again please, so that I may be enlightened?
Read what you wrote then go check it against the Bible.
GC
That's not what you criticism seems to have been based on. You claimed I should be tired of making that statement, which implies I make it a lot. You claimed it was debunked, with the implication that I should be aware of it, so it's logical to conclude you were talking about it having been done in-forum.
But anyway, I checked the Bible, quite a slog, but it turns out I'm right.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
July 3, 2017 at 6:27 pm
(July 1, 2017 at 5:04 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: (June 30, 2017 at 10:16 pm)Godscreated Wrote: GC
Omnipotence has nothing to do with how God must deal with sin. He wiped out man once and we didn't learn. God's omnipotence doesn't allow Him to force you into Christianity. God is limited in certain ways because of who He is, that should be obvious if you've ever read the Bible.
I have read the Bible. And if God is limited in any way then he is not omnipotent. He cannot be all powerful and still have any limitations.
And just a quick note: If God cannot force me to believe, then he is not all powerful. You might want to say that God won't force someone to believe, even if he is capable of it.
God himself says He can not lie and yet He is omnipotent. God's sinless attribute will not allow Him to lie. This is a good thing because we can trust what He says. Why would I want to mislead by wording things to fit a situation you believe is true, such as God not being omnipotent. Representing the truth is what Christians are to do, unlike atheist who's moral standard doesn't always include this, as you made obvious in the above underlined. God being omnipotent means He is capable of everything that is possible for Him to do, sinning is not possible for God, neither is forcing you to believe in Him, that would go against your limited choice, ie free will.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
July 3, 2017 at 6:45 pm
(July 3, 2017 at 6:27 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (July 1, 2017 at 5:04 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: I have read the Bible. And if God is limited in any way then he is not omnipotent. He cannot be all powerful and still have any limitations.
And just a quick note: If God cannot force me to believe, then he is not all powerful. You might want to say that God won't force someone to believe, even if he is capable of it.
God himself says He can not lie and yet He is omnipotent. God's sinless attribute will not allow Him to lie. This is a good thing because we can trust what He says. Why would I want to mislead by wording things to fit a situation you believe is true, such as God not being omnipotent. Representing the truth is what Christians are to do, unlike atheist who's moral standard doesn't always include this, as you made obvious in the above underlined. God being omnipotent means He is capable of everything that is possible for Him to do, sinning is not possible for God, neither is forcing you to believe in Him, that would go against your limited choice, ie free will.
GC
Your definition is incorrect though. Omnipotent means to have unlimited power. If god's power is limited, then he is not omnipotent. You can twist definitions and go through as many mental gymnastics as you want, but you can't change the fact that god cannot be all powerful and limited at the same time. He may be far more powerful than anyone here on earth, but still not all powerful.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
July 3, 2017 at 6:50 pm
(July 3, 2017 at 6:27 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (July 1, 2017 at 5:04 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: I have read the Bible. And if God is limited in any way then he is not omnipotent. He cannot be all powerful and still have any limitations.
And just a quick note: If God cannot force me to believe, then he is not all powerful. You might want to say that God won't force someone to believe, even if he is capable of it.
God himself says He can not lie and yet He is omnipotent. God's sinless attribute will not allow Him to lie. This is a good thing because we can trust what He says. Why would I want to mislead by wording things to fit a situation you believe is true, such as God not being omnipotent. Representing the truth is what Christians are to do, unlike atheist who's moral standard doesn't always include this, as you made obvious in the above underlined. God being omnipotent means He is capable of everything that is possible for Him to do, sinning is not possible for God, neither is forcing you to believe in Him, that would go against your limited choice, ie free will.
GC
Of course Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, lies. Remember how he said in Deuteronomy 25:19 (NLT) = "Therefore, when the Lord your God has given you rest from all your enemies in the land he is giving you as a special possession, you must destroy the Amalekites and erase their memory from under heaven. Never forget this!"
The Amalekites persisted until 1 Chronicles 4:43.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
July 3, 2017 at 6:56 pm
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(July 3, 2017 at 12:02 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Godscreated Wrote:Read what you wrote then go check it against the Bible.
GC
That's not what you criticism seems to have been based on. You claimed I should be tired of making that statement, which implies I make it a lot. You claimed it was debunked, with the implication that I should be aware of it, so it's logical to conclude you were talking about it having been done in-forum.
But anyway, I checked the Bible, quite a slog, but it turns out I'm right.
What you wrote is an example of what atheist write in general and no you are not right.
GC
(July 3, 2017 at 6:50 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (July 3, 2017 at 6:27 pm)Godscreated Wrote: God himself says He can not lie and yet He is omnipotent. God's sinless attribute will not allow Him to lie. This is a good thing because we can trust what He says. Why would I want to mislead by wording things to fit a situation you believe is true, such as God not being omnipotent. Representing the truth is what Christians are to do, unlike atheist who's moral standard doesn't always include this, as you made obvious in the above underlined. God being omnipotent means He is capable of everything that is possible for Him to do, sinning is not possible for God, neither is forcing you to believe in Him, that would go against your limited choice, ie free will.
GC
Of course Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, lies. Remember how he said in Deuteronomy 25:19 (NLT) = "Therefore, when the Lord your God has given you rest from all your enemies in the land he is giving you as a special possession, you must destroy the Amalekites and erase their memory from under heaven. Never forget this!"
The Amalekites persisted until 1 Chronicles 4:43.
To the best of my memory this was when Israel was at rest.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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