Am I right to assume, that theists cannot prove that I am not god?

[Astonished]

I already explained to Ast why I did confused his name for yours.
My apologies.

As far as the brain and consciousness argument you just don't get it and I wonder if you will ever get it.
Just because the consciousness rely on the brain to be active it doesn't mean that the brain is the boss.
When you drive your vehicle you rely on the vehicle however that doesn't mean that your vehicle is in charge.
You are in charge not the other way around.
Could your vehicle drive by itself?
I guess you never though about that Ink, did you?

You keep wondering if I've thought of these things. Let me assure you I have, and then I laughed at the absurdity and moved on. If something relies on x, then that x is the boss, at least to a certain extent. They are real close to cars that can drive themselves, but that's another topic. You haven't provided any evidence that your analogy is accurate. As far as I'm concerned, I've seen no evidence that a soul exists so yes, the body does do the driving and is nothing like a car. How come when you aren't in REM sleep you can't remember what it's like? How come when people are in comas, it's like they just don't exist? How come certain brain injuries can completely change a person's personality? How come when the brain doesn't make enough of certain chemicals it is very difficult for a person to be happy? The brain seems to be the one in charge, not a soul. Where is your evidence that a soul exists? You keep bringing up NDEs, where the heart and breathing have stopped. But for the brain, it takes six minutes without oxygen for the brain to even begin to die. Who knows what supply of oxygen it had before the heart stopped? And of course the temperature of the body affects this time too, the colder you are the longer your brain can live. My point is, LR, that even when someone is clinically dead it does not mean they are brain dead, or even close. So all those NDEs could indeed be explained by the brain hallucinating as it loses oxygen and begins to die.

Is the challenge that make the life interesting Ink.
I could well go in a yoga forum and find that almost everybody agree with me.
That wouldn't be challenging and interesting.
Here on the other hand there is a lot of challenges for me and that give me satisfaction.
Nothing to do with saving you from hell.
That is your problem whether you wish to be born again and again until you get how the system works.
That however may well be a mental hell as well but if you are happy as you are that's ok. with me.

Sure, I like a good challenge. And you absolutely are one since you refuse to back up anything you say with actual evidence. But it's fun, so I won't complain too much

I enjoy a challenge too but not when, as you point out, your jackass opponent refuses to back up anything you say, constantly and wrongly tells you you're wrong like a petulant fucking child, and projects every form of idiocy they commit onto you.

[Inkfeather132]

You keep wondering if I've thought of these things. Let me assure you I have, and then I laughed at the absurdity and moved on. If something relies on x, then that x is the boss, at least to a certain extent. They are real close to cars that can drive themselves, but that's another topic. You haven't provided any evidence that your analogy is accurate. As far as I'm concerned, I've seen no evidence that a soul exists so yes, the body does do the driving and is nothing like a car. How come when you aren't in REM sleep you can't remember what it's like? How come when people are in comas, it's like they just don't exist? How come certain brain injuries can completely change a person's personality? How come when the brain doesn't make enough of certain chemicals it is very difficult for a person to be happy? The brain seems to be the one in charge, not a soul. Where is your evidence that a soul exists? You keep bringing up NDEs, where the heart and breathing have stopped. But for the brain, it takes six minutes without oxygen for the brain to even begin to die. Who knows what supply of oxygen it had before the heart stopped? And of course the temperature of the body affects this time too, the colder you are the longer your brain can live. My point is, LR, that even when someone is clinically dead it does not mean they are brain dead, or even close. So all those NDEs could indeed be explained by the brain hallucinating as it loses oxygen and begins to die.



Sure, I like a good challenge. And you absolutely are one since you refuse to back up anything you say with actual evidence. But it's fun, so I won't complain too much

I enjoy a challenge too but not when, as you point out, your jackass opponent refuses to back up anything you say, constantly and wrongly tells you you're wrong like a petulant fucking child, and projects every form of idiocy they commit onto you.

Yeah, I'm tiring of this guy quickly. A couple more of his nonsensical posts and I'll be ignoring him like the rest of the forums. Then maybe he'll just go away

[Astonished]

I enjoy a challenge too but not when, as you point out, your jackass opponent refuses to back up anything you say, constantly and wrongly tells you you're wrong like a petulant fucking child, and projects every form of idiocy they commit onto you.

Yeah, I'm tiring of this guy quickly. A couple more of his nonsensical posts and I'll be ignoring him like the rest of the forums. Then maybe he'll just go away

So you haven't seen any of his bullshit on other threads? And no, he won't go away, that kind of psychological disorder doesn't work that way.

[Amarok]

WRONG.
NDEs can tell us this.

No they don't


Even Jesus came back to life and this was witnessed by thousand.

No he didn't and no they didn't

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As far as the brain and consciousness argument you just don't get it and I wonder if you will ever get it.
Just because the consciousness rely on the brain to be active it doesn't mean that the brain is the boss.
When you drive your vehicle you rely on the vehicle however that doesn't mean that your vehicle is in charge.
You are in charge not the other way around.
Could your vehicle drive by itself?
I guess you never though about that Ink, did you?

Your not driving it your are it

[Astonished]

WRONG.
NDEs can tell us this.

No they don't


Even Jesus came back to life and this was witnessed by thousand.

No he didn't and no they didn't

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As far as the brain and consciousness argument you just don't get it and I wonder if you will ever get it.
Just because the consciousness rely on the brain to be active it doesn't mean that the brain is the boss.
When you drive your vehicle you rely on the vehicle however that doesn't mean that your vehicle is in charge.
You are in charge not the other way around.
Could your vehicle drive by itself?
I guess you never though about that Ink, did you?

Your not driving it your are it

Aren't there already self-driving cars in the early prototype stage?

[Little Rik]

WRONG.
NDEs can tell us this.

No they don't


Even Jesus came back to life and this was witnessed by thousand.

No he didn't and no they didn't

Let me see son.
You think that witness never seen anything right?

What about Caesar?
Did he ever cross the Rubicon?
And the Viking?
Did they ever went around raping, robbing and killing?
And what about Genghis Kahn?
Did he ever went around half world with his soldiers?

Oh, I see.
You only believe some history but not other.
How smart you are son!    

Your not driving it your are it


Aren't there already self-driving cars in the early prototype stage?

Yes there are and guess what?
They are all programmed to act in a certain way by the inventor.
And guess what son?
The inventor got an human brain in which a consciousness run the show.

Sorry mate but you lost once again.
Never mind anyway.
More challenges are on the way.  

(Thanks for messing up the quoting system, now I don't know anymore who write these posts whether Ast or Ink)

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You keep wondering if I've thought of these things. Let me assure you I have, and then I laughed at the absurdity and moved on. If something relies on x, then that x is the boss, at least to a certain extent. They are real close to cars that can drive themselves, but that's another topic. You haven't provided any evidence that your analogy is accurate. As far as I'm concerned, I've seen no evidence that a soul exists so yes, the body does do the driving and is nothing like a car. How come when you aren't in REM sleep you can't remember what it's like? How come when people are in comas, it's like they just don't exist? How come certain brain injuries can completely change a person's personality? How come when the brain doesn't make enough of certain chemicals it is very difficult for a person to be happy? The brain seems to be the one in charge, not a soul. Where is your evidence that a soul exists? You keep bringing up NDEs, where the heart and breathing have stopped. But for the brain, it takes six minutes without oxygen for the brain to even begin to die. Who knows what supply of oxygen it had before the heart stopped? And of course the temperature of the body affects this time too, the colder you are the longer your brain can live. My point is, LR, that even when someone is clinically dead it does not mean they are brain dead, or even close. So all those NDEs could indeed be explained by the brain hallucinating as it loses oxygen and begins to die.

The human journey from birth to death is such that we are stuck inside a body.
The body is not you but because we are stuck inside it we feel that we are one with it.
The same goes for when you drive your car.
After a while you control the vehicle so well that it seem that you and the car are one.
This is an illusion that trick people that is why they think that body and brain are you.
The body give energy to the brain and the brain to you.
You, you, you.
Smart people however wake up and grow up and understand how the system works.
You too one day in some other reincarnation will wake up and grow up.
In the meantime you just do what you can in your little world of fantasy.
Challenges however would help you to grow up faster.  

[Inkfeather132]

Let me see son.
You think that witness never seen anything right?

What about Caesar?
Did he ever cross the Rubicon?
And the Viking?
Did they ever went around raping, robbing and killing?
And what about Genghis Kahn?
Did he ever went around half world with his soldiers?

Oh, I see.
You only believe some history but not other.
How smart you are son!    





Yes there are and guess what?
They are all programmed to act in a certain way by the inventor.
And guess what son?
The inventor got an human brain in which a consciousness run the show.

Sorry mate but you lost once again.
Never mind anyway.
More challenges are on the way.  

(Thanks for messing up the quoting system, now I don't know anymore who write these posts whether Ast or Ink)

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You keep wondering if I've thought of these things. Let me assure you I have, and then I laughed at the absurdity and moved on. If something relies on x, then that x is the boss, at least to a certain extent. They are real close to cars that can drive themselves, but that's another topic. You haven't provided any evidence that your analogy is accurate. As far as I'm concerned, I've seen no evidence that a soul exists so yes, the body does do the driving and is nothing like a car. How come when you aren't in REM sleep you can't remember what it's like? How come when people are in comas, it's like they just don't exist? How come certain brain injuries can completely change a person's personality? How come when the brain doesn't make enough of certain chemicals it is very difficult for a person to be happy? The brain seems to be the one in charge, not a soul. Where is your evidence that a soul exists? You keep bringing up NDEs, where the heart and breathing have stopped. But for the brain, it takes six minutes without oxygen for the brain to even begin to die. Who knows what supply of oxygen it had before the heart stopped? And of course the temperature of the body affects this time too, the colder you are the longer your brain can live. My point is, LR, that even when someone is clinically dead it does not mean they are brain dead, or even close. So all those NDEs could indeed be explained by the brain hallucinating as it loses oxygen and begins to die.

The human journey from birth to death is such that we are stuck inside a body.
The body is not you but because we are stuck inside it we feel that we are one with it.
The same goes for when you drive your car.
After a while you control the vehicle so well that it seem that you and the car are one.
This is an illusion that trick people that is why they think that body and brain are you.
The body give energy to the brain and the brain to you.
You, you, you.
Smart people however wake up and grow up and understand how the system works.
You too one day in some other reincarnation will wake up and grow up.
In the meantime you just do what you can in your little world of fantasy.
Challenges however would help you to grow up faster.  

Yeah, I'm done. I don't know if it's the language barrier, or if you are just dense, but I'm gonna just ignore you from now on. It has already been explained to you why Jesus' resurrection and Caesar are not comparable, but you're not interested in listening. And then you go on to, once again, make claims that you can't back up. This was fun, but you're too immature to waste time on

Bye.

[Foxaèr]

Rik kind of reminds me of Bolt's CP. I suppose every forum must have someone like that.

[Astonished]

(Thanks for messing up the quoting system, now I don't know anymore who write these posts whether Ast or Ink)

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The human journey from birth to death is such that we are stuck inside a body.
The body is not you but because we are stuck inside it we feel that we are one with it.
The same goes for when you drive your car.
After a while you control the vehicle so well that it seem that you and the car are one.
This is an illusion that trick people that is why they think that body and brain are you.
The body give energy to the brain and the brain to you.
You, you, you.
Smart people however wake up and grow up and understand how the system works.
You too one day in some other reincarnation will wake up and grow up.
In the meantime you just do what you can in your little world of fantasy.
Challenges however would help you to grow up faster.  

Yeah, I'm done. I don't know if it's the language barrier, or if you are just dense, but I'm gonna just ignore you from now on. It has already been explained to you why Jesus' resurrection and Caesar are not comparable, but you're not interested in listening. And then you go on to, once again, make claims that you can't back up. This was fun, but you're too immature to waste time on

Bye.

Don't know how that could be construed as fun, but whatever floats your boat. Just the way he types is an eyesore, never mind the vapidity and assholery of the content and tone.

[Little Rik]

(Thanks for messing up the quoting system, now I don't know anymore who write these posts whether Ast or Ink)

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The human journey from birth to death is such that we are stuck inside a body.
The body is not you but because we are stuck inside it we feel that we are one with it.
The same goes for when you drive your car.
After a while you control the vehicle so well that it seem that you and the car are one.
This is an illusion that trick people that is why they think that body and brain are you.
The body give energy to the brain and the brain to you.
You, you, you.
Smart people however wake up and grow up and understand how the system works.
You too one day in some other reincarnation will wake up and grow up.
In the meantime you just do what you can in your little world of fantasy.
Challenges however would help you to grow up faster.  

Yeah, I'm done. I don't know if it's the language barrier, or if you are just dense, but I'm gonna just ignore you from now on.

Have a lovely journey towards your mind's expansion.  

It has already been explained to you why Jesus' resurrection and Caesar are not comparable, but you're not interested in listening.

You can explain thousand of times but as far as your explanation is faulty then is all a waste of time.
Your problems guys is that you got a big big problem with cherry picking.
That's all.  

And then you go on to, once again, make claims that you can't back up. This was fun, but you're too immature to waste time on
Bye.

Wrong once again Ink.  
NDEs are real.
Real death, real doctors that declare the chap dead, real places, real witnesses but again if you want to disregard the fact that physical death means real death of even the consciousness then you should prove that an abstract entity as the consciousness can disappear or die with the body as you guys claim.
You guys claim that so where is the evidence?

Can you please indicate to me where is the dead consciousness?
I find a bit difficult to see that but I am sure you can.
Please help LR to see this dead consciousness around this dead body.