The Official "Damned Trump" Thread

[onlinebiker]

One last time - you syphilitic idiot -

I had nothing to do with Trump.


If anyone is responsible it' s your flaming liberal compatriots who really thought Hillary was a good idea.....

What twisted form of logic did you use to come up with this?

You must be one of them....


Hillary was poison.

The GOP could have ran a dead squirrel against Hillary and won - the LOGICAL choice would have been BIDEN.  But noooooo... The Dims had to go with "You OWE ME Hillary" and got us stuck with the worst president in 100 years......

Way to go....


As it was - we got the dead squirrel parked on Trump's head....

[Spongebob]

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One last time - you syphilitic idiot -

I had nothing to do with Trump.


If anyone is responsible it' s your flaming liberal compatriots who really thought Hillary was a good idea.....

A) I thought Hilary Clinton was an awful candidate, because unlike her I'm actually a leftie (you do realise that until Bill became an elected official Hilary was a lifelong GOPper, don't you?). B) You're a Nazi, it drips out every post you write on here, every action you've taken has been in clear and direct support of Herr Oberststurmbanngroppenfuhrer.  It's that you're just too cowardly to come out and admit it.

I wasn't sure what his political views were; as a guess I'd say he was an anarchist.  He just seems to snarl incoherently at everyone about everything, contributes almost nothing to every conversation he stumbles into.  Mostly I just ignore people like that but thought I would examine this one post though it's probably not worth my time.  My guess is that he's going to say something like the people who supported Hillary over Bernie got Trump elected, therefore it's somehow the Dems fault.  Thus my expectation of twisted logic.  If it's anyone's fault that Trump was elected, it's Republican voters, not Democrats.  They actually had some very qualified and capable candidates and yet they chose Trump!

[onlinebiker]

One last time - you syphilitic idiot -

I had nothing to do with Trump.


If anyone is responsible it' s your flaming liberal compatriots who really thought Hillary was a good idea.....

And yet she won the popular vote.

Keep bleating that....


It still won' t matter.

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A) I thought Hilary Clinton was an awful candidate, because unlike her I'm actually a leftie (you do realise that until Bill became an elected official Hilary was a lifelong GOPper, don't you?). B) You're a Nazi, it drips out every post you write on here, every action you've taken has been in clear and direct support of Herr Oberststurmbanngroppenfuhrer.  It's that you're just too cowardly to come out and admit it.

I wasn't sure what his political views were; as a guess I'd say he was an anarchist.  He just seems to snarl incoherently at everyone about everything, contributes almost nothing to every conversation he stumbles into.  Mostly I just ignore people like that but thought I would examine this one post though it's probably not worth my time.  My guess is that he's going to say something like the people who supported Hillary over Bernie got Trump elected, therefore it's somehow the Dems fault.  Thus my expectation of twisted logic.  If it's anyone's fault that Trump was elected, it's Republican voters, not Democrats.  They actually had some very qualified and capable candidates and yet they chose Trump!

My position?


You "two party" people are fucking up the works and you keep the laws that way to ensure your duopoly.

You keep voting for the lizards.

[Spongebob]

And yet she won the popular vote.

Keep bleating that....


It still won' t matter.

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I wasn't sure what his political views were; as a guess I'd say he was an anarchist.  He just seems to snarl incoherently at everyone about everything, contributes almost nothing to every conversation he stumbles into.  Mostly I just ignore people like that but thought I would examine this one post though it's probably not worth my time.  My guess is that he's going to say something like the people who supported Hillary over Bernie got Trump elected, therefore it's somehow the Dems fault.  Thus my expectation of twisted logic.  If it's anyone's fault that Trump was elected, it's Republican voters, not Democrats.  They actually had some very qualified and capable candidates and yet they chose Trump!

My position?


You "two party" people are fucking up the works and you keep the laws that way to ensure your duopoly.

You keep voting for the lizards.

Wow, that was almost semi-intelligent.  So, what's your solution?  Vote for independents only?  Third parties?  Don't vote at all?  In 2016, the parties other than Dems and Republicans were:  Green Party (extreme liberal), Libertarian (extreme anti-government), Constitution Party (supposedly more Constitution-based than the others), and Independents.  Of course, 94.3% of voters voted for one of the two main parties, so you are criticizing the vast majority of voters, not just libs as you earlier suggested.  And the country has been this way since the very beginning; this is nothing new at all.  The first two-party system began under George Washington's nose despite his declarations that parties are bad.

Let us examine what might happen if people voted for other parties in large enough numbers for it to matter.  And understand that I don't oppose the idea of power being spread out more.  If we had, say, only 50% of congressional seats possessed by the two main parties and the rest possessed by a range of other parties, then our government would function somewhat like that of a parliamentary system.  Think GB, Australia, Canada, etc.  In all of those other countries, when a new Prime Minister is elected, it is of the party holding the most seats, but because they rarely hold a majority of seats, they always join with members of other parties to form a coalition that's capable of voting in legislation.  In most cases they seek out the parties that are closest to their philosophy, so in our case Democrats would seek out Greens and perhaps some Libertarians and Independents. Republicans would seek out Constitutionalists and some Libertarians and Independents.  And there might be other parties involved as well.  The end result is not that much different than it is now, people of a like mind voting together for legislation they agree on.

But you are on to something substantial and that is candidate competition and there are two things working against competition.  One is the way districts are drawn in states.  The party with the most power typically gets to set those boundaries and they do so in such a way as to reduce competition, which results in more extreme candidates.  So a good start would be to make redistricting non-partisan.

Another problem that has crept upon us is representation ratio.  Our system of federal representation is locked at 435 Representatives and 100 Senators, but our population has grown substantially since that ratio was established.  So effectively, we all have less representation in DC than our ancestors did 100 years ago, by quite a lot.  The US population is 3 times what it was in 1900.  Yet our representation has not changed.  We essentially have fewer people representing us now.

The idea I like most is that we need more centrists in office and fewer extremists of all stripes.  I think we can all agree that both parties have been moving farther from the center for the last several cycles.  A good way to do this is to change our election laws such that we have ranked voting (some states are doing this already).  So if there are 10 people running for president, you get a vote for your top choice, 2nd choice and 3rd choice instead of just one choice, which many people use as a sort of blocking vote.  They vote for the person most likely to beat the person they really hate.  If we had ranked voting, we could have had a choice between Trump, Hillary, Bernie, and a few others and I seriously doubt that Trump or Hillary would have been elected.  And of course, I strongly believe that voting should be highly encouraged, simple, fast and without hardship.  There is only one party that currently endorses this philosophy right now.



And regarding the first comment, yes Hillary did have more votes that Trump overall, a few million more in fact.  And no, it didn't technically matter because of the Electoral College but it really does matter because it reflects the fact that Americans as a whole did not want Trump to be President and it was the farthest thing from a "mandate", as he proclaimed.  So, yeah, it actually does matter unless you just enjoy being cynical about things.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

What twisted form of logic did you use to come up with this?

You must be one of them....


Hillary was poison.

The GOP could have ran a dead squirrel against Hillary and won - the LOGICAL choice would have been BIDEN.  But noooooo... The Dims had to go with "You OWE ME Hillary" and got us stuck with the worst president in 100 years......

Way to go....


As it was - we got the dead squirrel parked on Trump's head....

Yes, Biden would have been the logical choice. However, you can’t force someone to run. Once he announced he wouldn’t run, the Democrats were pretty left with Clinton by default.

It wasn’t so much that they ‘went with’, but without Biden in the race, she was pretty much a Hobson’s Choice.

Boru

[Pat Mustard]

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A) I thought Hilary Clinton was an awful candidate, because unlike her I'm actually a leftie (you do realise that until Bill became an elected official Hilary was a lifelong GOPper, don't you?). B) You're a Nazi, it drips out every post you write on here, every action you've taken has been in clear and direct support of Herr Oberststurmbanngroppenfuhrer.  It's that you're just too cowardly to come out and admit it.

I wasn't sure what his political views were; as a guess I'd say he was an anarchist.  He just seems to snarl incoherently at everyone about everything, contributes almost nothing to every conversation he stumbles into.  Mostly I just ignore people like that but thought I would examine this one post though it's probably not worth my time.  My guess is that he's going to say something like the people who supported Hillary over Bernie got Trump elected, therefore it's somehow the Dems fault.  Thus my expectation of twisted logic.  If it's anyone's fault that Trump was elected, it's Republican voters, not Democrats.  They actually had some very qualified and capable candidates and yet they chose Trump!

If anything it was republitraitor "lawmakers" and republitraitor FBI operative James Comey wot won it for Trump, the first by ensuring that in excess of ten million US citizens were illegally denied their right to vote in 2016 (and the same thing happened again in 2020) and the second by ensuring that the baseless "buteremails" was kept in the news cycle right up to election day by re-opening an investigation he knew was both exhausted and politically motivated late in October.

[Bucky Ball]

Trump’s insurrection, so Trump gets the blame.

Boru

But Biden is in charge. On his watch. Guilty.....

Biden was not the President until the 20th. Not on his watch. 
Trump WAS in charge, and had erected many barriers to having civil order maintained. 
He predicted 1/6 was going to "be wild". Bannon knew all about it, and said the same thing.

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Hillary was poison.

The GOP could have ran a dead squirrel against Hillary and won - the LOGICAL choice would have been BIDEN.  But noooooo... The Dims had to go with "You OWE ME Hillary" and got us stuck with the worst president in 100 years......

Way to go....


As it was - we got the dead squirrel parked on Trump's head....

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. 
That's so poisonous. 
LMAO

[onlinebiker]

According to ""The Democratic Dictionary" -


The events in Washington DC earlier this year - where an inflated body count of 7 people including suicides 6 MONTHS LATER and a few hundred thousand dollars damage were done -

Is an " insurrection".


And the events in Detroit in 1967 where there were 43 dead, over 1100 injured - with 7200 arrests and an estimated $45 million damage (1967 dollars) -

Was an "uprising".


Let's all sing Kumbya now......

[Bucky Ball]

According to ""The Democratic Dictionary" -


The events in Washington DC earlier this year - where an inflated body count of 7 people including suicides 6 MONTHS LATER and a few hundred thousand dollars damage were done -

Is an " insurrection".


And the events in Detroit in 1967 where there were 43 dead, over 1100 injured - with 7200 arrests and an estimated $45 million damage (1967 dollars) -

Was an "uprising".


Let's all sing Kumbya now......

Wrong again Too-Many-Bike-Fumes. 
https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrectio...trump-riot
Sucks to be wrong all the time.

[Angrboda]

And yet she won the popular vote.

Keep bleating that....


It still won' t matter.

It doesn't change the last four years, but it does challenge the presumption that your opinion has any connection to reality. Yes, Hillary was disliked, but so was Trump, with Hillary being more disliked by key demographics that mattered. Apparently, more people liked her than Trump, they just weren't strategically allocated, which was a fault in Clinton's strategy, not her appeal. And say what you will about Trump, he appealed to his demographic and despite a long streak of failures, losing the house, senate, and the white house, he still commands intense devotion. Trump was largely unknown as a leader in 2016. But in his stupid, dishonest, hypocritical demeanor, Republicans saw someone like themselves and flocked to him. Which is to say that your moronic suggestion that Hillary's toxicity was at fault, is, like much of your sloganistic blather, totally bereft of factual support.