The Official "Damned Trump" Thread

[Spongebob]

Since I spent several posts bashing OLB's tendencies, I wanted to acknowledge that he posted on another thread something I whole-heartedly agree with. Jimmy Carter was & is a decent human being, despite his religious beliefs. Actually, if more Christians took after Jimmy, I would have a lot more Christian friends. I've read a good deal about Carter and I stick for the guy a lot when a political conversation starts to steer into bash Jimmy territory. Most Americans seem to have a very GOP-curated view of him and the vast majority of it is just flat wrong. Carter didn't make a great POTUS unfortunately, but a lot of the issues he had to deal with were extremely difficult and wide ranging and he made a few mistakes both in policy and politics. But he worked very hard and for the right reasons and issues, and he bucked his own party to keep campaign promises, to his own demise. So OLB should probably like that as well.

I guess that's enough about Jimmy.

[Angrboda]

Since I spent several posts bashing OLB's tendencies, I wanted to acknowledge that he posted on another thread something I whole-heartedly agree with.  Jimmy Carter was & is a decent human being, despite his religious beliefs.  Actually, if more Christians took after Jimmy, I would have a lot more Christian friends.  I've read a good deal about Carter and I stick for the guy a lot when a political conversation starts to steer into bash Jimmy territory.  Most Americans seem to have a very GOP-curated view of him and the vast majority of it is just flat wrong.  Carter didn't make a great POTUS unfortunately, but a lot of the issues he had to deal with were extremely difficult and wide ranging and he made a few mistakes both in policy and politics.  But he worked very hard and for the right reasons and issues, and he bucked his own party to keep campaign promises, to his own demise.  So OLB should probably like that as well.

I guess that's enough about Jimmy.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Since I spent several posts bashing OLB's tendencies, I wanted to acknowledge that he posted on another thread something I whole-heartedly agree with.  Jimmy Carter was & is a decent human being, despite his religious beliefs.  Actually, if more Christians took after Jimmy, I would have a lot more Christian friends.  I've read a good deal about Carter and I stick for the guy a lot when a political conversation starts to steer into bash Jimmy territory.  Most Americans seem to have a very GOP-curated view of him and the vast majority of it is just flat wrong.  Carter didn't make a great POTUS unfortunately, but a lot of the issues he had to deal with were extremely difficult and wide ranging and he made a few mistakes both in policy and politics.  But he worked very hard and for the right reasons and issues, and he bucked his own party to keep campaign promises, to his own demise.  So OLB should probably like that as well.

I guess that's enough about Jimmy.

It’s always been my impression that Carter was too good a man for politics.

Boru

[Spongebob]

It’s always been my impression that Carter was too good a man for politics.

Boru

I would say that he didn't approach the Presidency the same way most others approach it, but he was also not as politically savvy as the one's who are more successful.  I think the more sincere you are in your intentions, the more susceptible you are to political carnage.  Also, he was not all that experienced in politics.  He had only served one term as the governor of Georgia and one term in the Georgia state senate.


@Angrboda Yeah!  That's one of my favorite albums!

[Angrboda]

CNN: If you're wrong, isn't that very dangerous?

Lindell: Yes, but I'm not wrong.

The siren song of the idiot. "I'm not wrong." No matter what facts or opinions are levied against them, they maintain an irrational confidence in themselves.

I'm reminded of how Mystic Knight used to argue that having confidence in the truth of one's proposition is an indicator that it is true. It's sad and dangerous.

[Spongebob]

CNN: If you're wrong, isn't that very dangerous?

Lindell:  Yes, but I'm not wrong.

The siren song of the idiot.  "I'm not wrong."  No matter what facts or opinions are levied against them, they maintain an irrational confidence in themselves.

I'm reminded of how Mystic Knight used to argue that having confidence in the truth of one's proposition is an indicator that it is true.  It's sad and dangerous.

Enter Dunning-Kruger...

[Pat Mustard]

CNN: If you're wrong, isn't that very dangerous?

Lindell:  Yes, but I'm not wrong.

The siren song of the idiot.  "I'm not wrong."  No matter what facts or opinions are levied against them, they maintain an irrational confidence in themselves.

I'm reminded of how Mystic Knight used to argue that having confidence in the truth of one's proposition is an indicator that it is true.  It's sad and dangerous.

You see, one thing is I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it’s much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong. I have approximate answers and possible beliefs and different degrees of uncertainties about different things, I’m not absolutely sure about anything.

Richard Feynman, physicist.

[Bucky Ball]

The siren song of the idiot.  "I'm not wrong."  No matter what facts or opinions are levied against them, they maintain an irrational confidence in themselves.

I'm reminded of how Mystic Knight used to argue that having confidence in the truth of one's proposition is an indicator that it is true.  It's sad and dangerous.

You see, one thing is I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing.  I think it’s much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong.  I have approximate answers and possible beliefs and different degrees of uncertainties about different things, I’m not absolutely sure about anything.

Richard Feynman, physicist.

Incidentally, the opposite of a fundamentalist. 
High need for cognitive closure. https://psychology.wikia.org/wiki/Need_for_closure
Low tolerance for ambiguity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambiguity_...ntolerance

[Fake Messiah]

Trump praises Hitler

In his newly-released book about the 2020 election, Wall Street Journal White House reporter Michael C. Bender reveals that former President Trump allegedly praised Adolf Hitler's role in Germany's economic recovery in the 1930s as evidence that the Führer "did a lot of good things."

It's true the German economy rebounded under Hitler. And he did massively reduce unemployment numbers. But Hitler's "economic miracle" was based explicitly, though not exclusively, on newly-introduced anti-Semitic laws.

Little mentioned among people praising Hitler, of course, was that economic recovery was the direct result of redefining a whole group of people out of the economy. Little mentioned to this day, among people who see Hitler's economy as evidence that he did "some good things," is that terror, abuse and brutality were important engines of the Nazis' economic recovery.

Far from showing he "did a lot of good things," Hitler's rebounding economy revealed the first signs of Nazi horrors to come.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-hitler-economic-record/

[Deesse23]

It's true the German economy rebounded under Hitler. And he did massively reduce unemployment numbers.

At closer look its not so much of a miracle. The lower unemplyment numbers were to a substantial part "fake".

He took lots of unemployed off the streets to build the Autobahn for example. He alternatively could have used more machinery, which is much more efficient, but he didnt.