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RE: Why can't Christians say that parts of the Old Testament don't apply??..
October 21, 2010 at 2:23 am
(October 19, 2010 at 10:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why should I imagine that there's no Bible, I think it's unreasonable, just because many people have not seen a Bible or many christians have not read the Bible what does that have to do with me? I do not find the Bible to be a burden, as a matter of fact I find it very rewarding I've learned a considerable amount about God, life, ect. I recieve a great peace from reading scriptures, I can not see any reason to give up something that helps make my life so much better.
Have you tried drugs instead? LSD gives great insight into life the universe and everything. Ecstasy teaches you a lot about love. Cannabis helps you relax and be at peace.
I mean, that's what you seem to be saying, for you the bible is a drug that you are addicted to.
I do understand you though. I've known a few hardcore christians who have told me they couldn't imagine life without god, and I have seen the sincerity in their eyes and voice. They simply couldn't understand how I can live without god, they sympathize with me, like I have a disability or something. I would be quite amusing if it wasn't so sad.
(October 20, 2010 at 10:43 pm)solja247 Wrote: Ok most of these were about Israelites warring with people and David's poems.
10 points for trying.
How about Samuel 15 then? Seems pretty unambiguous. God gets pissed off because Saul didn't kill everyone down to the last sheep. I mean, God does love to punish the animals along with the humans he is targeting as part of his latest genocidal pogrom. Consider the flood... kills off a majority of living creatures just to punish humanity. Subtlety is not one of Yahweh's traits that is for sure.
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RE: Why can't Christians say that parts of the Old Testament don't apply??..
October 21, 2010 at 10:00 am
(October 20, 2010 at 7:47 pm)solja247 Wrote: Not at all. Nature is beautiful and we can learn a lot from observing nature.
Well, flowers can be beautiful. There's beauty in mountain scenery or watching a majestic waterfall. There's also beauty in a meadow feshly covered with snow. But all of nature is most certainly NOT beautiful. Ever seen a pack of lions bring down a zebra and then rip it to shreds while it's still alive? Ever seen vultures tear into a carcass? Ever seen two animals fight to the death? Was hurricane Katrina "beautiful"? How about earthquakes? Tsunamis? Floods?
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God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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RE: Why can't Christians say that parts of the Old Testament don't apply??..
October 21, 2010 at 11:53 pm
(October 21, 2010 at 2:23 am)Loki_999 Wrote: (October 19, 2010 at 10:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why should I imagine that there's no Bible, I think it's unreasonable, just because many people have not seen a Bible or many christians have not read the Bible what does that have to do with me? I do not find the Bible to be a burden, as a matter of fact I find it very rewarding I've learned a considerable amount about God, life, ect. I recieve a great peace from reading scriptures, I can not see any reason to give up something that helps make my life so much better.
Have you tried drugs instead? LSD gives great insight into life the universe and everything. Ecstasy teaches you a lot about love. Cannabis helps you relax and be at peace.
I mean, that's what you seem to be saying, for you the bible is a drug that you are addicted to.
I do understand you though. I've known a few hardcore christians who have told me they couldn't imagine life without god, and I have seen the sincerity in their eyes and voice. They simply couldn't understand how I can live without god, they sympathize with me, like I have a disability or something. I would be quite amusing if it wasn't so sad.
Yes Loki_999 I've used many drugs in the past, never found one that gave me a hint about life nor brought peace and joy into my life. In the end all I got out of drugs was an empty wallet and a troubled life. I have found God through the Lord Jesus Christ to be the true peace, I've seen and lived life with Him and would not ever desire to do or serve anyone or anything else for the rest of my days.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Why can't Christians say that parts of the Old Testament don't apply??..
October 22, 2010 at 12:54 am
(October 21, 2010 at 11:53 pm)Godschild Wrote: Yes Loki_999 I've used many drugs in the past, never found one that gave me a hint about life nor brought peace and joy into my life. In the end all I got out of drugs was an empty wallet and a troubled life. I have found God through the Lord Jesus Christ to be the true peace, I've seen and lived life with Him and would not ever desire to do or serve anyone or anything else for the rest of my days.
I am glad you finally found a drug that works for you and is hopefully easier on your wallet. But don't think the same drug works on everyone, or that other people could not do better without any drugs at all.
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October 22, 2010 at 2:39 am
Cool... a christian who has tried and rejected drugs from experience. Congratulations. It really pisses me off when people condemn drugs without trying them.
Still, i do like them by these days tend to limit myself to the occasional smoke of weed. Can't party like i used to.
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RE: Why can't Christians say that parts of the Old Testament don't apply??..
October 22, 2010 at 6:37 am
Seems to me that one cannot exist on this planet sans an addiction to something external to oneself.
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RE: Why can't Christians say that parts of the Old Testament don't apply??..
October 22, 2010 at 7:36 am
Quote:How about Samuel 15 then? Seems pretty unambiguous. God gets pissed off because Saul didn't kill everyone down to the last sheep. I mean, God does love to punish the animals along with the humans he is targeting as part of his latest genocidal pogrom. Consider the flood... kills off a majority of living creatures just to punish humanity. Subtlety is not one of Yahweh's traits that is for sure.
Was that God? The Bible also says in 1 Samuel that God made Hannah infertile, I think we need to becareful, the Bible was written within a completely different time. We need to be careful to understand the context.
Quote:Well, flowers can be beautiful. There's beauty in mountain scenery or watching a majestic waterfall. There's also beauty in a meadow feshly covered with snow. But all of nature is most certainly NOT beautiful. Ever seen a pack of lions bring down a zebra and then rip it to shreds while it's still alive? Ever seen vultures tear into a carcass? Ever seen two animals fight to the death? Was hurricane Katrina "beautiful"? How about earthquakes? Tsunamis? Floods?
How is it not beautiful to see a lion catch a zebra and tear it apart? Its beautiful and amazing!
Where I live there is an octopi that will kill you in an hour (the most deadliest octopus) its called the blue ringed octopus. Its a beautiful creature, just because it could kill me or anyone else doesnt mean it isnt beautiful.
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RE: Why can't Christians say that parts of the Old Testament don't apply??..
October 22, 2010 at 9:15 am
(October 22, 2010 at 6:37 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Seems to me that one cannot exist on this planet sans an addiction to something external to oneself.
Like Oxygen. I can't seem to kick that habit.
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RE: Why can't Christians say that parts of the Old Testament don't apply??..
October 22, 2010 at 9:35 am
(October 22, 2010 at 7:36 am)solja247 Wrote: How is it not beautiful to see a lion catch a zebra and tear it apart? Its beautiful and amazing!
You find it "beautiful" to see a zebra brought down by a lion and watch it get torn to pieces while it brays in terror?
Wow.
Quote:Where I live there is an octopi that will kill you in an hour (the most deadliest octopus) its called the blue ringed octopus. Its a beautiful creature, just because it could kill me or anyone else doesnt mean it isnt beautiful.
And where did I mention deadly creatures and claim they're not beautiful? I didn't. I specifically mentioned things like animals fighting to the death, hurricanes, floods, tsunamis, and earthquakes. Personally, I think tigers are among the most beautiful animals in existence. As are killer whales and polar bears. Now put away your straw man and address my point.
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RE: Why can't Christians say that parts of the Old Testament don't apply??..
October 22, 2010 at 9:56 am
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Godschild, I realize you have a lot of other skeptics asking you questions but I was wondering if you could answer my earlier one about how the OT forbids the consumption of sacrificial blood and the NT requires it. You've answered that the consumption of sacrificial blood in communion is only symbolic but isn't pretending to commit a sin also bad? Jesus said so on his sermon on the mount.
Any other Christians who want to chime in and provide their own answers would be welcome to do so.
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