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RE: It is becoming more evidence that America will destroy itself from within
July 13, 2017 at 12:29 pm
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(July 13, 2017 at 11:45 am)Chad32 Wrote: As for Russia, it seems all they did was help wikileaks find out the truth about Hillary.
It seems to be a bit more than you think:
Bloomberg Wrote:Russia’s cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before Donald Trump’s election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported.
In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-elections
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(July 13, 2017 at 11:45 am)Chad32 Wrote: That's pretty mild, compared to what our government has done to other countries it thinks need "regime changes".
Of course. No one here is arguing America has clean hands. What is being argued that allowing a foreign power to undermine our votes is not good for us, the people. I'm unsure Russia did this in order to seek justice for Iran, Guatemala, Chile, and so on; on the other hand, I'd be willing to bet they did it in order to further weaken us.
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RE: It is becoming more evidence that America will destroy itself from within
July 13, 2017 at 12:30 pm
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(July 13, 2017 at 11:44 am)It_Was_me Wrote: A common line I hear from the GOP is that they are patriots. They brag about it all the time.
-common crooks routinely profess their innocence..and we'll get to what people in the GOP brag about in just a few sentences...
The republican party, whatever it once was, is not the party of patriots. They owe fealty to business - multinational, and offshore tax havening interests, not the country and certainly not it's people. They do not believe in a government for the people, by the people, and of the people. They are not the party of fiscal responsibility, but of further bloating corporate welfare directly, and indirectly through our defense budget. They are not the party of personal responsibility...they are the party of obama did it. They are not the party of moral prudence or traditional american values...they are the enablers of an incompetent sexual predator and serial bankruptee...elevated to highest office. They are not the party of rights, they do not -believe- in civil rights. They are not the party of constitutional limits to authority, they are the party of christian dominionism and absolute statist sycophancy. They are not the party of small government, but of big brother and his immense homeland apparatus. They are not the party of Lincoln..they seek to set -no one- free of any bondage, or to hold together this union..but to more adequately enforce whatever bondage and discord may be profitable, either in our banks or in our prisons.
There is no republican party. All that remains are operatives who have silently bought out the brand... and with it, all of it's loyal, low information consumers.
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RE: It is becoming more evidence that America will destroy itself from within
July 13, 2017 at 12:43 pm
Maybe it's because they don't want to go to war with Russia, and because they are so sick of how much the US has helped ISIS and other terrorist groups and would rather work with Putin to take the terrorists out, rather than fund them and have that turn around on you with a future 9/11. I guess many Trump supporters see Putin, a Christian man with white skin, and think that it's better to get along with him than to fund and back the child raping terrorists to try to hurt Putin's interests. Yes Putin is evil. So what? Saudi Arabia is one of your biggest allies.
The evidence is not there right now to show that Trump colluded with Russia. Comey and others have said they don't have anything showing that Trump colluded, so people are not going to believe it until the evidence comes in. Evidence hasn't even been released showing that Russia was the one to hack the DNC servers, and if they did, I'm very glad they did. I'm ok with Russia "rigging" the election by showing the American people how Hillary rigged the primaries.
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RE: It is becoming more evidence that America will destroy itself from within
July 13, 2017 at 12:47 pm
(July 13, 2017 at 12:43 pm)FFaith Wrote: I'm ok with Russia "rigging" the election by showing the American people how Hillary rigged the primaries.
I'm not. I am not okay with any foreign power subverting the value of my vote. I'm not okay with a President, whose loyalty must be unimpeachable, working with a foreign power (and exposing himself to blackmail in so doing) in order to satisfy personal ambition when the job demands placing the common weal above common venality.
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RE: It is becoming more evidence that America will destroy itself from within
July 13, 2017 at 12:51 pm
Quote: I'm ok with Russia "rigging" the election by showing the American people how Hillary rigged the primaries.
Of, FFS, give it up. How did she do that? By getting the most votes?
I voted for Hillary and I will tell you why. Bernie would have been ripped to shreds by the republicunt propaganda machine in the campaign. Had he won, as a democrat, I would have voted for him. But he LOST. Get over it and stop acting like a fucking baby.
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RE: It is becoming more evidence that America will destroy itself from within
July 13, 2017 at 12:52 pm
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-advice that applies equally to the trumpsters in reference to Hillary. She lost, get over it, and own your own shit.
As to the evidence "not being there"...I think that some people won't give up on the trumpster until we find a fucking t-84 wedged firmly up the gibbons ass with a maga hat where the red star ought to be.
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RE: It is becoming more evidence that America will destroy itself from within
July 13, 2017 at 12:57 pm
(July 13, 2017 at 12:47 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (July 13, 2017 at 12:43 pm)FFaith Wrote: I'm ok with Russia "rigging" the election by showing the American people how Hillary rigged the primaries.
I'm not. I am not okay with any foreign power subverting the value of my vote. I'm not okay with a President, whose loyalty must be unimpeachable, working with a foreign power (and exposing himself to blackmail in so doing) in order to satisfy personal ambition when the job demands placing the common weal above common venality.
I agree with this. If Trump was colluding and opening himself up to blackmail, then that's obviously not good. We'll have to wait and see if evidence comes in to show that that is indeed what happened.
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RE: It is becoming more evidence that America will destroy itself from within
July 13, 2017 at 12:57 pm
(July 13, 2017 at 11:46 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I mean, the US has supposedly 'been going to hell' or 'crumbling' or 'being torn apart' for centuries now. Recency bias is a big issue when it comes to things like these. Things in general for most topics in the US are better than they used to be. There are some problem areas sure, and there will always be crazy anomalies that buck trends for a little, but I certainly don't think that America is "destroying itself from within."
Newspaper I read once had predictions that the US would break up into smaller states by '20.
That's 1820, we'd just lost the War of 1812.
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RE: It is becoming more evidence that America will destroy itself from within
July 13, 2017 at 1:00 pm
(July 13, 2017 at 12:57 pm)FFaith Wrote: (July 13, 2017 at 12:47 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I'm not. I am not okay with any foreign power subverting the value of my vote. I'm not okay with a President, whose loyalty must be unimpeachable, working with a foreign power (and exposing himself to blackmail in so doing) in order to satisfy personal ambition when the job demands placing the common weal above common venality.
I agree with this. If Trump was colluding and opening himself up to blackmail, then that's obviously not good. We'll have to wait and see if evidence comes in to show that that is indeed what happened.
Of course. But things ain't looking good in River City for him, given his son's admission.
I'm willing to bet there are more shoes gon' be dropping.
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RE: It is becoming more evidence that America will destroy itself from within
July 13, 2017 at 1:02 pm
(July 13, 2017 at 12:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote: I'm ok with Russia "rigging" the election by showing the American people how Hillary rigged the primaries.
Of, FFS, give it up. How did she do that? By getting the most votes?
I voted for Hillary and I will tell you why. Bernie would have been ripped to shreds by the republicunt propaganda machine in the campaign. Had he won, as a democrat, I would have voted for him. But he LOST. Get over it and stop acting like a fucking baby.
The DNC chose Hillary to be their winner from the start and did everything to hurt Bernie's chances. That's breaking their own rules. Hillary was also given debate questions ahead of time. I'm just stating facts here.
You voted for Hillary in the general and I have no problem with that. I'm ok with that vote, but the primaries were completely rigged in her favour and that's a fact.
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