Watching my cat, thinking about god and human nature

[WinterHold]

It always comes to perfection: I won't call something a "God" unless they were totally perfect.

Life is more of a simulation that acts as a filter; the breaking point between good and bad. The good pass; while the bad fails the filter.
It's not that God is "busy"; or "doesn't care"; but it's how he created life. If the filter was ever going to work; we must take the freedom of choice.

The tools for killing are always present; the way to do it is also present; the way not to belief is also present. Always we're surrounded by tools to make us sin. Still; God do intervene all the time to make us sleep; or to make us be rich; or to save us from a vicious attack.

Later; nobody will claim they never got their chance; everybody had their chance. And everybody chose where to be; at which side.

[Chad32]

There is credibility in the idea that Yahweh doesn't really give a shit about his creation, judging from his actions in the bible, and the current state of the world. Despite that it says he loves us so much, and we all know that actions usually speak louder than words. He's supposed to be like a father to us, and we are his children. Most parents, seeing their children in danger, will fly to their protection and safety, if they can. This guy doesn't, even to his most devout followers, because physical death is a triviality to him. He doesn't understand how we tend to see death, because he only seems to care about the soul, something we really know nothing about. There is certainly a disconnect there.

[Astonished]

As a real ankle biter I feel cats to be very annoying. But having adopted two, I reluctantly admit they are very cool animals.

I still derive simple pleasure from the fact that god is dog backwards.

I have no fucking idea what a YEWHAY is though!!

It's "Yeehaw", being pronounced awkwardly when someone's too drunk to speak coherently.

It always comes to perfection: I won't call something a "God" unless they were totally perfect.

Life is more of a simulation that acts as a filter; the breaking point between good and bad. The good pass; while the bad fails the filter.
It's not that God is "busy"; or "doesn't care"; but it's how he created life. If the filter was ever going to work; we must take the freedom of choice.

The tools for killing are always present; the way to do it is also present; the way not to belief is also present. Always we're surrounded by tools to make us sin. Still; God do intervene all the time to make us sleep; or to make us be rich; or to save us from a vicious attack.

Later; nobody will claim they never got their chance; everybody had their chance. And everybody chose where to be; at which side.

I somehow seem to get the same kind of responses from Muslims than I do from Xtians on here. Maybe there's a reason for that.

Here's the problem with your statement, and I'm going to try to be uncharacteristically civil because it angers me that you can believe the things you're saying. Just understand that.

The fact that your god decided to create life this way is the proof that said god is an unjust, cruel, callous monster if he exists at all. I created an idealized version that nobody could object to in another thread, and your idea does not even come close to measuring up to that one. Free will, or this freedom of choice you are deluded about, is not a thing. Firstly, we were never given a choice about whether to exist. That infringes upon our ability to say whether we want to opt out of this insane choice of eternal damnation or eternal paradise (neither of which is actually distinguishable since you won't be the same 'you' undergoing it from all indications). Further, we lack perfect knowledge of this god and this god's rules, and without informed consent we are not allowed to make the actual choices we would under those conditions. Finally, if we knew about the carrot-and-stick of heaven and hell, that is absolutely coercion of the worst sort and is a terrible infringement upon our free will. So please, never, ever, EVER use that terrible, absolutely stupid and immoral argument again, EVER.

Not to mention, this god does not seem interested in saving young girls from being raped on a regular basis, and frankly I'd take a few sleepless nights to ensure that he had time to rescue them. So I guess I'm more morally sound than your idea of your horrible evil monster god. Throw in the fact that we are designed this way, with a reptilian brain that drives us towards our baser instincts (which religion has absolutely no way of curbing, either protesting TOO much or encouraging things like tribalistic violence) and yet are still condemned for it makes the deck completely stacked and yet god takes none of the responsibility for this. He is inept, cowardly, and unethical in every possible respect and yet has the gall to claim to be above all. That is simply intolerable and I cannot look upon you with anything but contempt for believing in, worshiping, and spreading the faith in this god.

I don't expect this to have any impact upon you because of what your religion has done to your mental state but just know that you are not any kind of person who has any business making any statements of morality or truth.

[Godscreated]

This morning I am trying to sleep.  My cat is making a bunch of noise.

I open my eyes to look at what she is doing and it appears she has discovered something that crawled in here, possibly a lizard.

I ignore that she is causing harm to another living thing, because it is in her cat nature to hunt.  I do not try to stop her from doing what she is doing.

As I close my eyes to lay back down to go back to sleep, it occurs to me that in the above scenario what if I am god and my cat is a human harming another human?

Perhaps god does not intervene to stop human on human violence because he simply does not care about what is happening with us, perhaps god views it as our nature as human beings to act as we do and finds it pointless to intervene in any way.  He is nothing more than a sometimes spectator of the lives far removed from his own nature, much in the way a typical human is uninterested in the lives of ants.

If god is real, which I still doubt, this is a more credible understanding of god's unknowable nature than that of the theistic point of view.

How can one understanding of something unknowable be more credible than another? It's unknowable.

Who says He is unknowable, those who do not care to know Him, the NT teaches us we can know God as in having knowledge of, I know Him and know it is a blessing.
Yes the Bible says He is unknowable but in the sense that we can never know everything about an eternal God.

GC

[Aliza]

This morning I am trying to sleep.  My cat is making a bunch of noise.

I open my eyes to look at what she is doing and it appears she has discovered something that crawled in here, possibly a lizard.

I ignore that she is causing harm to another living thing, because it is in her cat nature to hunt.  I do not try to stop her from doing what she is doing.

As I close my eyes to lay back down to go back to sleep, it occurs to me that in the above scenario what if I am god and my cat is a human harming another human?

Perhaps god does not intervene to stop human on human violence because he simply does not care about what is happening with us, perhaps god views it as our nature as human beings to act as we do and finds it pointless to intervene in any way.  He is nothing more than a sometimes spectator of the lives far removed from his own nature, much in the way a typical human is uninterested in the lives of ants.

If god is real, which I still doubt, this is a more credible understanding of god's unknowable nature than that of the theistic point of view.

How is this not a theistic point of view? You've touched on some Jewish views of G-d in here.

[Foxaèr]

How is this not a theistic point of view? You've touched on some Jewish views of G-d in here.

It is called critical thinking, something especially essential for a writer.

I prefer to think about all possible or impossible outcomes of any given situation, because I enjoy exercising my imagination.

However, I am not so illogical as to mistake any fantasy for reality as I do this.

[Little Rik]

How is this not a theistic point of view? You've touched on some Jewish views of G-d in here.

It is called critical thinking, something especially essential for a writer.

I prefer to think about all possible or impossible outcomes of any given situation

If you really would you also would think that God is like a father that give free will and let his grown up children decide what to do for themselves in the good or the bad.

because I enjoy exercising my imagination.

Oh, I see.
One moment you exercise your imagination.
The next moment you call troll those who don't agree with your imagination.

What a disaster son.  

However, I am not so illogical as to mistake any fantasy for reality as I do this.

So you reckon that your imagination doesn't take you outside the reality?

Have a lovely day Lut and enjoy your imagination.  

[Brian37]

It is called critical thinking, something especially essential for a writer.

I prefer to think about all possible or impossible outcomes of any given situation

If you really would you also would think that God is like a father that give free will and let his grown up children decide what to do for themselves in the good or the bad.

because I enjoy exercising my imagination.

Oh, I see.
One moment you exercise your imagination.
The next moment you call troll those who don't agree with your imagination.

What a disaster son.  

However, I am not so illogical as to mistake any fantasy for reality as I do this.

So you reckon that your imagination doesn't take you outside the reality?

Have a lovely day Lut and enjoy your imagination.  

1. You have no evidence for your claimed sky wizard.
2. You have no evidence that your claimed sky wizard is even a requirement.
3.  Our species gives birth to young, but that does not make 7 billion humans "children".
4. Human behavior, good or bad is NOT explained by a super hero vs a super villain. 

I am 50 years old. I am an adult. The only REAL parent who ever did anything for me was my mother, not God, not Yahweh, not Allah, not Vishnu not Buddha not Apollo, not Yoda.

[Little Rik]

If you really would you also would think that God is like a father that give free will and let his grown up children decide what to do for themselves in the good or the bad.




Oh, I see.
One moment you exercise your imagination.
The next moment you call troll those who don't agree with your imagination.

What a disaster son.  




So you reckon that your imagination doesn't take you outside the reality?

Have a lovely day Lut and enjoy your imagination.  

1. You have no evidence for your claimed sky wizard.
2. You have no evidence that your claimed sky wizard is even a requirement.

Slow down Brian.
Here we are talking about the possibilities.......not about any evidence so I don't see your haste in demanding the evidence.
In some other thread we can talk about evidence.
In this one instead we only talk about the possibilities.
If you read the OP Lut was saying.........Perhaps god does not intervene to stop human on human violence because he simply does not care about what is happening with us, perhaps god views it as our nature as human beings to act as we do and finds it pointless to intervene in any way. He is nothing more than a sometimes spectator of the lives far removed from his own nature, much in the way a typical human is uninterested in the lives of ants.

I did challenged Lut because he didn't come up with the possibility that God (if God exist) does not act to stop the crimes that humans commit for the reason that I already explained on pag. 1.
He think that God is uninterested which of course is just a guess based on no evidence.

3.  Our species gives birth to young, but that does not make 7 billion humans "children".
4. Human behavior, good or bad is NOT explained by a super hero vs a super villain. 

I am 50 years old. I am an adult. The only REAL parent who ever did anything for me was my mother, not God, not Yahweh, not Allah, not Vishnu not Buddha not Apollo, not Yoda.

One more haste belief based on no evidence.
You see yourself and your loved one as the only reality so you say that that is the only reality, right?
How do you know that you are right?
Suppose that there is a very good reason for not remembering our eventual past lives and we lived before and we live again?

All your beliefs are what I call HASTE GENERALIZATION based on no evidence.  

[Foxaèr]

To be fair, neither is there any evidence that god does exist.

Furthermore, the burden of proof is always on the one making the extraordinary claim.

To state that god does not exist is not an extraordinary claim due to the fact that there is zero evidence to support the existence of stated deity.

To state that god does exist is the extraordinary claim due to the fact that there is zero evidence to support the existence of stated deity.