Watching my cat, thinking about god and human nature

[Brian37]

To be fair, neither is there any evidence that god does exist.

That is not true.

Real people, real death certified by real doctors, real hospitals and places and real come back to life verified by real witnesses in the NDEs experiences prove that God exist and life goes on after the physical death.  

NO not even with doctors sorry. Yes they all make those claims and we have heard the NDE bullshit for ever.

Even with doctors they confuse misdiagnosis or they lie to get attention.

NOBODY SURVIVES permanent death. Flying under the radar of medical equipment is not the same as going beyond the window.

Permanent death is way beyond clinical death. Clinical death only means vital factors cannot be detected, and yes that happens, but only for so long. Once enough of your cells die beyond repair you DONT come back from that. 

NDE is a false perception, misunderstanding of neurology as the brain shuts down. It stems from either heavy drugs or hypoxia (deprivation of oxygen to the brain) or a combo of both. The disruption to the brain causes the neurons to misfire causing memories of loved ones, or false memories and hallucinations .

Think of your brain as in in tact light bulb. When it is till connected to an in tact current, you can turn it off for a while but it still has to have enough  juice running to the socket for coming back within that WINDOW to be possible. But bust the filament the light will never turn on again. With the human brain the more of it's cells that die the less function it has. When the brain shuts down it can come back as long as the cells are not damaged beyond repair. 

That is why the term NDE, near, near only means CLOSE, but that is only clinical death, not permanent death. 

You will NEVER for example EVER see someone come back after having their head decapitated. You will never see a dead body rot,become bloated and decayed and come back from rigor morits. 

When people talk of their "experiences" they are not understanding that it is a mere false perception, a neurological misfire.

If a doctor claims they "saw" someone come back from the dead, they should be honest and not fucking turn that into magic. In reality all that means was the equipment used and the diagnosis used was not sufficient enough to detect the tiny amount of juice with in that window. 

But in no case is their a cosmic sky hero jolting you back to life if you do. It merely means there was just enough activity left within that window to come back.

[Foxaèr]

It is bizarre.
You guys can say all crap you like but if I reply I am called a troll.
I just can't get the logic.    

You can call me any derogatory terms you want. I don't care. There are more important things to concern me than someone's name calling.

Besides, I no not recall ever thinking of you as a troll.

The language barrier is the true detriment in my involvement with you.

Do you use Google Translate when communicating on this forum?

[Aliza]

How is this not a theistic point of view? You've touched on some Jewish views of G-d in here.

It is called critical thinking, something especially essential for a writer.

I prefer to think about all possible or impossible outcomes of any given situation, because I enjoy exercising my imagination.

However, I am not so illogical as to mistake any fantasy for reality as I do this.

So you think no theist, or even most theists are not capable of critical thinking? This is a skill strictly limited to atheists alone?

[Foxaèr]

So you think no theist, or even most theists are not capable of critical thinking? This is a skill strictly limited to atheists alone?

I believe theists do not critically think in reference to their religion. If they did, they would no longer be theists.

[Aliza]

So you think no theist, or even most theists are not capable of critical thinking? This is a skill strictly limited to atheists alone?

I believe theists do not critically think in reference to their religion.  If they did, they would no longer be theists.

I believe that I think more or less critically regarding my religion, but I think there may be a few points where I don't. Would you care to discuss it a little deeper? I'll be willing to change my position on critical thinking if you can solidly demonstrate to me that I more or less do not think critically.

Edit: I should probably add that I'm a Jew, and just by playing the numbers game, there is a good chance that you don't know very much about Judaism.

[Foxaèr]

I believe that I think more or less critically regarding my religion, but I think there may be a few points where I don't. Would you care to discuss it a little deeper? I'll be willing to change my position on critical thinking if you can solidly demonstrate to me that I more or less do not think critically.

Edit: I should probably add that I'm a Jew, and just by playing the numbers game, there is a good chance that you don't know very much about Judaism.

What is it about Judaism that makes logical sense to you when compared to reality?

[Aliza]

I believe that I think more or less critically regarding my religion, but I think there may be a few points where I don't. Would you care to discuss it a little deeper? I'll be willing to change my position on critical thinking if you can solidly demonstrate to me that I more or less do not think critically.

Edit: I should probably add that I'm a Jew, and just by playing the numbers game, there is a good chance that you don't know very much about Judaism.

What is it about Judaism that makes logical sense to you when compared to reality?

Judaism's driving purpose is for Jews to live a good life. I was raised secular Jewish and gained an orthodox education as an adult (I'm no longer a strictly practicing Orthodox). When I consider my life prior to applying Jewish principles, I found it to be less appealing then when I did start applying Jewish principles. I simply find that the quality of my life has improved.

[Divinity]

Pretty sure your cat thinks it's god, and you are to bend to it's ever desire. Not the other way around.

[mordant]

If god is real, which I still doubt, this is a more credible understanding of god's unknowable nature than that of the theistic point of view.

If god is unknowable then he is irrelevant.

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An individual's personal experience is not evidence.

The doctor, after all, cannot verify what the patient experienced while s/he was dead.

The person wasn't dead anyway. It's called a NEAR death experience for a reason.

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An individual's personal experience is not evidence.

1) Individual?
There are a myriad of these experiences not just one.

2) Do you know what the word VERIFIED means?

I don't think you know so let me explain what that means.
It means that what these people saw during their NDE was verified by witnesses and that is the evidence that their experiences were real.
These witness were doctors, registered nurses and other people as well.
Are you such a fool that think that doctors and other people that studied for years and years are idiots that are telling stories?
They have no interests in telling stories nor the people who had these NDEs so why should they tell us bulls?

You keep using that word VERIFIED but I do not think it means what you think it means.

No one can co-witness what happens in between another person's ears. Personal experience cannot be verified or substantiated.

Lots of money has been spent on scientifically constructed studies of NDEs over many years and they have been unable to conclusively validate any NDE.

The rest of your questions are just arguments from authority. Doctors and nurses can misattribute things just like anyone else. They are not immune to confirmation bias by any means. They can study for years and years and still be fallible about areas outside their area of study especially. They study medicine, not metaphysics. That doesn't make them idiots, it just makes them human. The only thing that matters is not whether a doctor or nurse was impressed by a story but whether the story is actually substantiated and in fact whether the experience is related in a controlled double-blind environment. Examples of constructed studies include messages or out of place objects hidden atop, e.g., suspended light fixtures and invisible / unknown to personnel working in the room but should be visible to a temporarily discarnate spirit hovering over the scene. Then you have to find that subset of patients who had the experience AND are willing to talk about it, and there need to be accurate time synchronized records of EEG / EKG activity, audio recordings etc to compare to the NDE account and so forth. It takes years to accumulate this sort of evidence and last I checked it has come to nothing in terms of conclusive and convincing substantiation for any account of an NDE.

That is the burden of proof. Not that an MD found an NDE account interesting or compelling.

[Foxaèr]

Judaism's driving purpose is for Jews to live a good life. I was raised secular Jewish and gained an orthodox education as an adult (I'm no longer a strictly practicing Orthodox). When I consider my life prior to applying Jewish principles, I found it to be less appealing then when I did start applying Jewish principles. I simply find that the quality of my life has improved.

It seems to me you're using Judaism as a crutch, because you feel better as a person while adhering to the religion.

It is no different than drug addicts who feel better when they are on drugs as opposed to being sober.