Climate Change and ecological collapse

[The Grand Nudger]

Actually going nuclear would be really easy if we're talking TWR or Molten salt reactor. Just take a look at this two and a half minute video to see what I'm talking about
https://openload.co/f/PeAVa8PcOWU/salt_react.mp4

You say that, but you have to realize that it's not true?  Nuclear -of any kind- faces massive political and fiscal difficulties.  The time it;s going to take people just to climb on board with a good idea is likely longer than the time in which it would make that critical difference.  

Brazil did it in no time. There all vehicles are flexible-fuel (flex-fuel) vehicles that use both gasoline and ethanol, although their ethanol comes from sugar plants and I'm talking about future in which electricity is clean and cheap enough so that ethanol could be made artificially. It is 19th century chemistry and people could perhaps even have ethanol producing devices in their homes, when the time comes.

"When the time comes" - and we're all still waiting.  

But we're talking about seeding the oceans with algae that capture carbon.
http://reveal.uky.edu/algae_part1_howitworks

There are easier ways to engage in mass carbon capture, we don't do those either - but we sure do like to talk about them.  

The worst thing is getting too depressed to do anything about it and even live in denial. It is a good beginning but real clean up will probably come when one day people have fusion, but maybe it could be done before.

Agreed, but I'd put waiting for the magic bullet right up there with inactivity among the worst things.  The reason we refer to things like nuclear reactors is because it's a singular and identifiable dues ex, it;s something somebody else can do somewhere all by their onesies that will solve the problems that we think will effect us and don't -require- that we change this or that.   Honestly, even in the case of magic bullets we would still have to make changes, and we could make massive changes now, down here at the personal level - without needing to get an adminsitration onboard with something that their own ownership interests are bound to fight tooth and nail. There's actyually no reason that we'd have to transition away from fossil fuels at all if we actively sought to make better use of them, and eliminate their use in redundency or where they weren;t required. The single greatest contributor to that waste is the energy we use in our homes. If our homes weren't shoeboxes made of matchsticks, we wouldn;t need to do that. Right behind that is ag, and if we weren't turning oil to food at every level, again.....we'd have solved a portion of the problem -without- needing a nuclear reactor and without needing to seed the ocean with algae and without needing to convert every vehicle to alternative fuels. Hail mary plans, in the current environment. Whereas changing our homes and food production is a simpler issue of consumer habits. It's also something within the grasp of every single human being, now, no need for billions in government funding, or the approval of legislators in the pocket of competing interests. A solar passive design (as simple as an interior masonry facade in your home...which builds value) and buying your food fresh and local will do more to combat climate change than wishing for a molten salt reactor ever could..and we can still wish for a molten salt reactor while we're at it. Showing commitment might even make legislators sweat a little bit and get off their asses on other issues. So long as we all act like C Jesster, even if we talk a different game, they have no impetus to deliver those things and...call me a cynic, we..thusly, no legitimate hope of achieving them.

@Court Jester
"Hur Dur liberals!"  You know...just because people point out that you're an ignorant doubt monkey..doesn't mean that they're in the "enemy" camp...and it's not like it would matter if they were, because what is true of you would be true no matter who brought it to your attention. If you spent a fraction of the time you've spent bullshitting me and searching for other doubt monkeys to confirm your perceptions researching the subject, instead... you might have learned something by now.

LOL, who am I kidding, you wouldn't have learnt shit.

[Fake Messiah]

this Nobel Prize winning scientist would call it simply an opinion. And a bad opinion at that....
http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/07/06/n...l-warming/

Well it doesn't mean that if somebody is Nobel Prize winning scientist that he can't be bought. Doesn't it? One of the ways is to look at what the guy is saying and in his case it doesn't make any sense like sometimes he says that temperature is not getting higher and other times he says that it is but that it is a good thing.

Or this article claims  "More than 100 scientists rebuke Obama as ‘simply incorrect’ on global warming" - no doubt another "Oregon Petition"

But this is straight giveaway: “If you want to help Africa, help them out of poverty, do not try to build solar cells and windmills,”

How the fuck does this makes sense? In one breath this asshole is claiming that people are so hysteric about global warming but then he goes totally batshit crazy about solar cells and windmills. I mean even if you are think that there is no global warming you have to be total asshole not to see how oil is cause of devastation for countries that have it. So yeah if you want to help Africa it would be best to use solar cells and not fucking oil. I mean take Nigeria. Oil has been a burning political issue since the Nigerian civil war of 1967-70, which almost ripped the country apart, causing up to a million war-related deaths and displacing some 6 million people. Since the war, Nigeria has remained in a state of suppressed and repressive violence, punctured by periodic outbreaks of actual violence, some causing significant casualties and making thousands refugees in their own country. Shell and other oil majors have forged close alliances with Nigeria's ruling classes, including its military dictatorships. Little of the oil revenue has been invested in the communities in the Niger Delta, where most oil is produced. These communities have born the brunt of the extensive environmental damage from oil extraction, and have become increasingly alienated from the oil companies and from the government.

So unless you're totally retarded or on oil Exxon's payroll you can say that to help Africa is to use more oil.

Or take country that is on second largest oil deposit in the world - you guessed it Iraq. You can see how usual tactic goes: embeddedness of violence in different social relations and the gradual disintegration of the state under the impact of globalization. Under these conditions, when authoritarian states collapse, the state itself loses the monopoly of force and law ceases to exist, to be replaced by privatized violence, private profit, growing linkages between the two, and the spread of crime and disorder aimed at ordinary civilians. US government officials planned the war in Iraq to overwhelm an enemy, re-establish centralized authority and gain immediate control over the country’s chief resource.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's an amusing balancing act to watch, wherein people are sought to..tongue in cheek, say that climate change isn't real, but also make it more subtly apparent that they aren't denying that the climate is changing, just insisting that their owners aren't responsible for it.  It's just the sun, or "mother nature", or cow farts.  Hey, you know, maybe it'll be a good thing?  Sure, it'll be great when I can break into the coffee and chocolate business in S Central Florida, or when the prefeered peaches or onions are predominantly grown in my part of appalachia rather than georgia....but probably not great for the people who can't keep doing it anymore.

The funny thing about that song and dance is this...would it matter, would it matter whether or not their owners were responsible for it?  Or whether or not it would be great for new markets?  No, no it wouldn't - because those people it's currently affecting and the many more it will come to affect are fucked either way unless we do something about it.

Its an environmental issue, sure, but also a social issue, an economic issue...and a fairly serious national security issue. The army of doubt has some serious overlap with our current global crop of nationalists...where do they think all those icky browns go when their shitholes dry up..or get swallowed by the sea?