The Human race: A sci-fi story

[ph445]

You forget evolution by natural selection which completely changes the situation.

natural section is a theory of how differences and genetic variation arise differences between species. It does not address the origin of life however. Evolution is essentially saying give me that first self replicating organism and I will explain the rest. 

All I am saying is as of now we do not know the cause of this DNA first molecule. We can however extrapolate the probability of such an anomaly forming.

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Your data is old, son. And your argument is 'WE'RE FUCKING SPECIAL!!!!', nothing more.

You need to explain where I am wrong. Saying "your data is old son" and not pointing out how, or where, leads me to think you dont know ding-dong about the topic at hand. It upsets your current belief system, and so you dismiss it. Im sorry Im bursting your bubble and dashing your childhood dreams of Star wars and star trek. But the universe is as sterile and lifeless as mars. And we are an anomalous speck of protein between two infinities of nothingness. (before the big band-and the big crunch)

As the movie alien says 'In space, no one can hear you scream" this is both literal and yet ironic. Yes, it is an existential nightmare for some. We are completely and utterly alone.

[Alex K]

You forget evolution by natural selection which completely changes the situation.

natural section is a theory of how differences and genetic variation arise differences between species. It does not address the origin of life however. Evolution is essentially saying give me that first self replicating organism and I will explain the rest. 

All I am saying is as of now we do not know the cause of this DNA first molecule. We can however extrapolate the probability of such an anomaly forming.

Exactly. So,
Imposing an already complex DNA molecule as the starting point is an arbitrary and unfounded assumption.

[ph445]

Exactly. So,Imposing an already complex DNA molecule as the starting point is an arbitrary and unfounded assumption.

Yes. The famed Drake equation is nonsense, namely because it never takes into account the probabilities of this first event- roughly 1 in 10^40,0000 power, a number so large that mathematically 1/10^40,000 is infinitesimal.

My theory is that if there is a 'multiverse' (which there likely is) then there is infinite potential for life to form. Because there is infinite possibility, there would therefore be infinite civilizations of sentient beings. However, in any one universe where life does spontaneously form, such as on earth, that one intelligent civilization either self-annihilates or develops technology that allows for faster than light travel (I also have theoretical speculation on how this can be achieved) and then life is seeded throughout that particular universe. Similar to Prometheus.

The probability of TWO intelligent sentient civilizations capable of faster than light travel forming randomly in one particular universe is incredibly small.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You forget evolution by natural selection which completely changes the situation.

natural section is a theory of how differences and genetic variation arise differences between species. It does not address the origin of life however. Evolution is essentially saying give me that first self replicating organism and I will explain the rest. 

All I am saying is as of now we do not know the cause of this DNA first molecule. We can however extrapolate the probability of such an anomaly forming.

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Your data is old, son. And your argument is 'WE'RE FUCKING SPECIAL!!!!', nothing more.

You need to explain where I am wrong. Saying "your data is old son" and not pointing out how, or where, leads me to think you dont know ding-dong about the topic at hand. It upsets your current belief system, and so you dismiss it. Im sorry Im bursting your bubble and dashing your childhood dreams of Star wars and star trek. But the universe is as sterile and lifeless as mars. And we are an anomalous speck of protein between two infinities of nothingness. (before the big band-and the big crunch)

As the movie alien says 'In space, no one can hear you scream" this is both literal and yet ironic. Yes, it is an existential nightmare for some. We are completely and utterly alone.

You're information is old because it's old. Live with that. I don't give a fuck. You're attacks are lame, nobody believes I'm in any way religious. YOU, however, think you're fucking special. That's good for a laugh.

[ph445]

natural section is a theory of how differences and genetic variation arise differences between species. It does not address the origin of life however. Evolution is essentially saying give me that first self replicating organism and I will explain the rest. 

All I am saying is as of now we do not know the cause of this DNA first molecule. We can however extrapolate the probability of such an anomaly forming.

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You need to explain where I am wrong. Saying "your data is old son" and not pointing out how, or where, leads me to think you dont know ding-dong about the topic at hand. It upsets your current belief system, and so you dismiss it. Im sorry Im bursting your bubble and dashing your childhood dreams of Star wars and star trek. But the universe is as sterile and lifeless as mars. And we are an anomalous speck of protein between two infinities of nothingness. (before the big band-and the big crunch)

As the movie alien says 'In space, no one can hear you scream" this is both literal and yet ironic. Yes, it is an existential nightmare for some. We are completely and utterly alone.

You're information is old because it's old. Live with that. I don't give a fuck. You're attacks are lame, nobody believes I'm in any way religious. YOU, however, think you're fucking special. That's good for a laugh.

Thats what I thought. While you watch garbage videos where Niel Degrasse Tyson talks about how the milky way is teeming with aliens, just remember, there is isn't even a shred of evidence to support this, not even one rogue transmission we have picked up. So, as of now, we can say with certainty that there is no known life other than this planet.

Where did I say we were special? We are a speck of protein between two infinities of nothingness. I am just bursting your bubble "BUT STAR WARS IS SOOO COOL!" Yea its a fucking movie, move on.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Child, you have a nice life.

[Succubus]

...(Darwinism)...

What is this "Darwinism" of which you speak?

However, in any one universe where life does spontaneously form, such as on earth, that one intelligent civilization either self-annihilates or develops technology that allows for faster than light travel (I also have theoretical speculation on how this can be achieved)

I'm all eyes.

...we have no evidence of another civilization in the universe. It is largely sterile...

Non sequitur.

10^-12 is quite small compared to the odds of forming DNA capable of forming a basic living organism at random, which is 10^40,000.

If the building blocks are already present then It's not random is it? Miller-Urey?

The probability of TWO intelligent sentient civilizations capable of faster than light travel forming randomly in one particular universe is incredibly small.

No. The probability of 'any' civilization capable of faster than light travel is zero.

...Niel Degrasse Tyson talks about how the milky way is teeming with aliens...

You can provide a link to this?

[ph445]

Saying it is largely sterile isn't non sequitur. I can't say it is completely sterile as there is life on this planet. But the probability of there being another intelligent civilizations within this universe is infinitesimal.

Regrading faster than light travel. I can't give you a detailed explanation on a forum post. But theoretically it is possible, and it would be the only means by which we could ever escape this rock. Light speed is much too slow.

The mechanism would involve creating an Alcubierr space-time manifold. Altering the shape of space-time by utilizing the Quantum Zeno Effect to shape at least one dimension of time, and leave General Relativity to demand a resulting reshaping of space. Space-time is thus reshaped quite precisely according to some guiding principles of the QZE and observed temporal change to produce an Alcubierre Space-time Manifold of exacting proportion to produce Faster-Than-Light travel without actual motion taking place.

 Yes, it is impossible to go faster than light in an inertial frame of reference within the confines of this cosmos according to Special Relativity. However, in a system that is isolated from all of the above in General Relativity that is not a true statement. The Alcubierre Spacetime Manifold as Alcubierre described it in 1994 is fine, just as described, except for being upside down and backward, and not quantized. It works by stretching space to its target, then bringing up the rear. Contracting space is absurd. Our best example in nature requiring the mass of millions of stars contracting space does so with a factor of perhaps a few hundred to one. Stretching space can be infinite. The QZE has no upper boundary. The QZE acts directly on General Relativistic principles to stretch space towards its target without limit. There is no Special Relativistic consideration or limitations.


Bending space-time by brute force is rather absurd, as it takes the mass-energy of an entire star to produce minimal curvature of space-time. this was  demonstrated in the 1919 solar eclipse that barely detected the bending of starlight around the sun. the type of energy and the application of such energy to artificially bend space-time in the many ways presented to date by brute force remain mysterious because it is the wrong approach to take. The simplicity is; the Quantum Zeno Effect is the suppression of ‘unitary’ time by constant observation.


The QZE was designed by nature to be the mechanism that makes one Planck interval of time ‘tick’ to the next, provide the natural flow and order of the seeming continuity of time on our macroscopic scale.

There are no ‘negative energy requirements’ necessary to produce the Alcubierre Space-time Manifold, nor wormholes, Casimir effects, ‘negative mass budgets,’ exotic matter, and so on. This is simple: Alter the progression of time via the laboratory hardened QZE, which in turn alters the shape of local space. There is no need for theories of Quantum Gravity, negative mass, causality violation, reshaping the manifold into a ring, and the many proposals over the years that simply produce a null result, nor any other improvable set of mysteries. These are all unacceptable failures in an otherwise simple approach that requires tabletop, proven technology and no direct energy requirements. To date, no industrial process has produced the QZE beyond the atomic scale. Scaling the QZE up to macroscopic proportions would be required. The mechanism to achieve this requires math that I won't post on here.

[Alex K]

Lol. Please post the math, I'm very curious.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Lol. Please post the math, I'm very curious.

Wear your rubbers.