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August 3, 2017 at 9:58 pm (This post was last modified: August 3, 2017 at 10:25 pm by Godscreated.)
(August 3, 2017 at 12:18 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:
(August 2, 2017 at 8:41 pm)Godscreated Wrote: I live my life as Paul gave the example, I'm the least among you. I really do not care if you believe this or not, God knows and that's all that matters.
GC
Funny I believe the same about evolution. Indoctrination by any sort is not a good way, let lone fear. Indoctrination means there's something to sale (yes there are Christians who sale Christianity and I do not agree with there tactics), Christianity is not for sale, period.
GC
And yet, you're here trying to sell it to us.
No I'm not, but if you would like to send me some money I'll gladly take it, that's if it's $10,000 or more.
GC
(August 3, 2017 at 11:03 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:
(August 2, 2017 at 10:08 pm)Godscreated Wrote: You are right, no one can do enough to receive an eternal reward from God, our eternal reward comes from who Christ is and what he did, that's why acceptance of Him alone is the only way to that reward.
The evil one does is always infinite unless it is forgiven through the acceptance of Christ as savior. The evil done is first and foremost against God and unless He through Christ's sacrifice and His grace forgives one of all those evils then hell is the result. Sorry but that is the way God planned it and no one can change God's eternal plan. So both are justified, the reward is a gift and the punishment is one's choice.
So Christ isn't god?
He creates evil, plans for it to be unavoidable, says it's a infinite slap in the face to him, and so punishes for eternity.
THIS is something worth worshiping?!
Yes Christ is God.
God did not create evil, so that makes your reasoning about Christianity wrong.
God is completely worthy of worship.
(August 2, 2017 at 10:08 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Would my telling you what God has said to me at times be believable to you, I doubt it. Here's your response, that's just you telling me a story what would make me believe such stuff. You need to tell me what it will take for you to believe and my response will be take it to God for He is the only one who can save you.
GC
Harry N Wrote:Why should we believe that god has talked to you? Would you believe any other deity talks to anyone else? No.
And you know what, not believing, but accepting, the existence of god would take. It's put out there in almost every post. Objective, falsifiable evidence, independent of the bible. You know it doesn't exist, so why do you think we'd all of a sudden decide it's all true?
The question wasn't meant for you, but I'll respond. I did not ask you to believe He has spoken to me, I made a statement and left it for atheist to leave or believe.
No I would not believe another god has spoken to anyone because the God of the Bible says there are no other gods.
What shouldn't exist is that stupid argument you and other atheist use. The Bible is the only source for coming to understand God. It's those crazy mentors of the atheist that started such foolishness and you've played right into their hands, you think they want to be alone in hell.
I personally have proof that the God of the Bible exists, you could have that same proof if you wanted it.
GC
(August 3, 2017 at 10:14 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Why is he here if he thinks we will never believe his testimony? Is he just here to get that warm, persecuted feeling? I don't want him to leave, but when he does, I hope he remembers to shake the dust off of his feet.
Are you speaking of me?
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(August 3, 2017 at 12:18 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: And yet, you're here trying to sell it to us.
No I'm not, but if you would like to send me some money I'll gladly take it, that's if it's $10,000 or more.
GC
(August 3, 2017 at 11:03 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:
So Christ isn't god?
He creates evil, plans for it to be unavoidable, says it's a infinite slap in the face to him, and so punishes for eternity.
THIS is something worth worshiping?!
Yes Christ is God.
God did not create evil, so that makes your reasoning about Christianity wrong.
God is completely worthy of worship.
(August 2, 2017 at 10:08 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Would my telling you what God has said to me at times be believable to you, I doubt it. Here's your response, that's just you telling me a story what would make me believe such stuff. You need to tell me what it will take for you to believe and my response will be take it to God for He is the only one who can save you.
GC
Harry N Wrote:Why should we believe that god has talked to you? Would you believe any other deity talks to anyone else? No.
And you know what, not believing, but accepting, the existence of god would take. It's put out there in almost every post. Objective, falsifiable evidence, independent of the bible. You know it doesn't exist, so why do you think we'd all of a sudden decide it's all true?
The question wasn't meant for you, but I'll respond. I did not ask you to believe He has spoken to me, I made a statement and left it for atheist to leave or believe.
No I would not believe another god has spoken to anyone because the God of the Bible says there are no other gods.
What shouldn't exist is that stupid argument you and other atheist use. The Bible is the only source for coming to understand God. It's those crazy mentors of the atheist that started such foolishness and you've played right into their hands, you think they want to be alone in hell.
I personally have proof that the God of the Bible exists, you could have that same proof if you wanted it.
GC
LMAO. Yes, he does, and acknowledges this because he's such a petty jealous little bitch god. Not only that, he's so wimpy and puny he can't simply vanquish the other gods. Pretty odd how if he created everything, he created other gods that were such a threat to him that he has to mention them. Or just plain stupid to create them in the first place. Really, Yahweh just sounds like one of the slow kids in the Greek pantheon and he's just the one who bothers to deal with humans rather than being 'above' all that because of his insecurity. And it makes sense he'd be so immature and a pathological liar, to cover up the fact that he ain't shit compared to the higher gods who are supremely unconcerned with us and our existence. Actually, that explains everything, if in fact Yahweh is real.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
(August 3, 2017 at 12:18 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:
And yet, you're here trying to sell it to us.
No I'm not, but if you would like to send me some money I'll gladly take it, that's if it's $10,000 or more.
GC
(August 3, 2017 at 11:03 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:
So Christ isn't god?
He creates evil, plans for it to be unavoidable, says it's a infinite slap in the face to him, and so punishes for eternity.
THIS is something worth worshiping?!
Yes Christ is God.
God did not create evil, so that makes your reasoning about Christianity wrong.
God is completely worthy of worship.
(August 2, 2017 at 10:08 pm)Godscreated Wrote:
Would my telling you what God has said to me at times be believable to you, I doubt it. Here's your response, that's just you telling me a story what would make me believe such stuff. You need to tell me what it will take for you to believe and my response will be take it to God for He is the only one who can save you.
GC
Harry N Wrote:
Why should we believe that god has talked to you? Would you believe any other deity talks to anyone else? No.
And you know what, not believing, but accepting, the existence of god would take. It's put out there in almost every post. Objective, falsifiable evidence, independent of the bible. You know it doesn't exist, so why do you think we'd all of a sudden decide it's all true?
The question wasn't meant for you, but I'll respond. I did not ask you to believe He has spoken to me, I made a statement and left it for atheist to leave or believe.
No I would not believe another god has spoken to anyone because the God of the Bible says there are no other gods.
What shouldn't exist is that stupid argument you and other atheist use. The Bible is the only source for coming to understand God. It's those crazy mentors of the atheist that started such foolishness and you've played right into their hands, you think they want to be alone in hell.
I personally have proof that the God of the Bible exists, you could have that same proof if you wanted it.
GC
(August 3, 2017 at 10:14 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
Why is he here if he thinks we will never believe his testimony? Is he just here to get that warm, persecuted feeling? I don't want him to leave, but when he does, I hope he remembers to shake the dust off of his feet.
Are you speaking of me?
GC
Having to hide all of these quotes so we don't have to wade through a wall of text is a PAIN.
"The Bible is the only source" - there are billions of Muslims and Hindus and Mormons - and others - who would tell you that you have the wrong book. I've read the Bible through many times, and memorized most of it. It is neither factual, nor holy. It's an evil book of fairy tales. It proves absolutely nothing. Your personal feelings are not proof, your personal stories are not proof - we can trick our brains into believing absolutely anything if we want it badly enough. Your assertions mean less than nothing.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
August 4, 2017 at 7:43 am (This post was last modified: August 4, 2017 at 7:48 am by Mister Agenda.)
(August 3, 2017 at 9:58 pm)Godscreated Wrote:
(August 3, 2017 at 10:14 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Why is he here if he thinks we will never believe his testimony? Is he just here to get that warm, persecuted feeling? I don't want him to leave, but when he does, I hope he remembers to shake the dust off of his feet.
Are you speaking of me?
GC
You're confident enough about your ability to read me to tell me my motivations, but you can't tell when I'm talking about you when the context is crystal clear. Huh.
(August 3, 2017 at 2:17 pm)Drich Wrote:
(July 31, 2017 at 10:25 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: If Satan were real, he still doesn't deserve infinite punishment. Maybe more than anyone else, but not infinite punishment for his finite crimes.
One He is not being punished infinitely. He is currently wandering this world, and as far as we know has never set foot in Hell. But He is an infinite being. His crimes are not finite.
So he's not going to be punished infinitely? I'm sure he'll be very relieved to hear that his punishment will someday end. According to your theology, we're all infinite beings. So anything anyone does wrong is an infinite crime, huh?
August 4, 2017 at 8:02 am (This post was last modified: August 4, 2017 at 8:12 am by Harry Nevis.)
(August 3, 2017 at 2:57 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Useless platitudes about a host of other things offered as an explanation of a convoluted mythology?
Would it have been difficult to say "No idea why they rebelled, wasn't there, and the narrative doesn't make the motivations of individual ghosts explicit"......?
Well, I guess when you have a relationship with god, you can spew out whatever sounds good to you, because god wouldn't let you lie about him, huh?
(August 3, 2017 at 9:58 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Yes Christ is God.
God did not create evil, so that makes your reasoning about Christianity wrong.
God is completely worthy of worship.
And yet, he said he did in the bible. I must be reading it wrong. Let me just drive this ice pick into my forehead....
OUCH! Hey, now it makes perfect sense!
(August 3, 2017 at 9:58 pm)Godscreated Wrote: No I would not believe another god has spoken to anyone because the God of the Bible says there are no other gods.
What shouldn't exist is that stupid argument you and other atheist use. The Bible is the only source for coming to understand God. It's those crazy mentors of the atheist that started such foolishness and you've played right into their hands, you think they want to be alone in hell.
I personally have proof that the God of the Bible exists, you could have that same proof if you wanted it.
GC
Personal proof is so convenient.
I'm sure you realize how ridiculous it is to have only one source for what is probably the biggest decision one can make. But it wasn't the only source, was it? You were raised christian in a christian nation. If you claim that that had no effect on you accepting the bible as fact when you could read it, you're more delusional than I thought. And that is one high bar.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam
August 4, 2017 at 2:19 pm (This post was last modified: August 4, 2017 at 2:28 pm by Ravenshire.)
(August 3, 2017 at 10:27 pm)Court Jester Wrote: Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version reads, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
You need to read that that there book again
Again?
(August 3, 2017 at 9:58 pm)Godscreated Wrote: you could have that same proof if you wanted it.
GC
I've sought it, on bended knee with an open mind (what you would call an open heart). Never got any response other than crickets. So you can take your claims of proof and put them with all your other evidences and arguments. And, please, flush when you're done.
Thief and assassin for hire. Member in good standing of the Rogues Guild.
(August 3, 2017 at 10:34 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Having to hide all of these quotes so we don't have to wade through a wall of text is a PAIN.
"The Bible is the only source" - there are billions of Muslims and Hindus and Mormons - and others - who would tell you that you have the wrong book. I've read the Bible through many times, and memorized most of it. It is neither factual, nor holy. It's an evil book of fairy tales. It proves absolutely nothing. Your personal feelings are not proof, your personal stories are not proof - we can trick our brains into believing absolutely anything if we want it badly enough. Your assertions mean less than nothing.
There I got rid of them. The Bible is the only source about the God of creation and salvation, all the other text you refer to have methods outside of God's plan, they are worthless for knowing God. You say you have read the Bible many times and that it contains no facts, when in reality it contains many facts and I'm sure you do not know what holy means so i'll let you slide on that, so i doubt you have ever picked up the Bible let lone read it. I've never tried to prove to you the Bible says God is real nor have I tried to prove Him with my personal stories. I have shared them for those who want to read them, if you do not like them then stop reading them or put me on ignore, that way you do not have to get bent out of shape.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(August 3, 2017 at 10:34 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Having to hide all of these quotes so we don't have to wade through a wall of text is a PAIN.
"The Bible is the only source" - there are billions of Muslims and Hindus and Mormons - and others - who would tell you that you have the wrong book. I've read the Bible through many times, and memorized most of it. It is neither factual, nor holy. It's an evil book of fairy tales. It proves absolutely nothing. Your personal feelings are not proof, your personal stories are not proof - we can trick our brains into believing absolutely anything if we want it badly enough. Your assertions mean less than nothing.
There I got rid of them. The Bible is the only source about the God of creation and salvation, all the other text you refer to have methods outside of God's plan, they are worthless for knowing God. You say you have read the Bible many times and that it contains no facts, when in reality it contains many facts and I'm sure you do not know what holy means so i'll let you slide on that, so i doubt you have ever picked up the Bible let lone read it. I've never tried to prove to you the Bible says God is real nor have I tried to prove Him with my personal stories. I have shared them for those who want to read them, if you do not like them then stop reading them or put me on ignore, that way you do not have to get bent out of shape.
GC
Yada Yada Yada. Are you still saying god didn't create evil?
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam
