Do Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence?

[Minimalist]

Because there are no ties to that, either.

[The Grand Nudger]

Because that religion ceased to be marketed as a useful commodity, finally, in the early twentieth century with the dissipation of the OTO and Golden Dawn.

You're welcome.

(some neo pagans are sympathetic, but in an entirely modern and western way)

[pocaracas]

3. So what? How does that impact the reasoning? If your going with atheists don't make claims (even though I think most do--even if through ignorance and to ignore the concept of strong atheism) you are still left with the second part of my conclusion: "the distinction of 'extraordinary' becomes meaningless.

People make claims, sure... Whether they're theists or atheists.
But you were saying that atheism is a claim. That it is a more extraordinary claim than theism, on account of the absence of evidence for it.
I'm saying theism is the claim and atheism is simply the position of not accepting the theism claim... Unlike many other possible a[claim]isms, this one developed a name throughout human history... Because the theism claim has had some success for a long time, most of which mankind was mostly ignorant of the world.
But now we know better, we have many tools at our disposal to probe the world and figure out how it works... Thus far, none of those tools has yielded anything resembling a god - not that they're looking for a god, but for something that is claimed to be so omni, it seems remarkably absent. And this renders the theism claim an extraordinary one .
Like a claim that any work of fiction is indeed real. The force, magic, the TARDIS, zylons, Klingons, etc... The claim that any of these is real is an extraordinary claim and would require some hefty evidence. While the default "I don't believe that claim" requires no evidence at all. You just need to go "nothing in the reality that humans agree upon support that such a claim is true".
And no, cosplayers, people talking about those fictional universes, speaking in languages from those universes, or even providing testimony that they're real is not credible evidence.

[shadow]

[Astonished]

All I'm hearing here are double-standards, special pleading, and complete and utter misunderstandings of definitions that would embarrass a fucking elementary schoolkid, from Steve and Beep-Beep. Blow it out your asses, both of you, you know you're both full of shit and just aren't willing to admit it. I'm not even convinced you're just that genuinely stupid anymore.

[Minimalist]

It's all they have, man.

[Astonished]

It's all they have, man.

That clip doesn't make sense...if RR is going fast enough to generate smoke but WEC is fast enough to create fire, shouldn't he have caught RR?

[shadow]

That clip doesn't make sense...if RR is going fast enough to generate smoke but WEC is fast enough to create fire, shouldn't he have caught RR?

He's just catching up to him maybe?

[Astonished]

That clip doesn't make sense...if RR is going fast enough to generate smoke but WEC is fast enough to create fire, shouldn't he have caught RR?

He's just catching up to him maybe?

I demand a physicist examine this poste haste!

[SteveII]

3. So what? How does that impact the reasoning? If your going with atheists don't make claims (even though I think most do--even if through ignorance and to ignore the concept of strong atheism) you are still left with the second part of my conclusion: "the distinction of 'extraordinary' becomes meaningless.

People make claims, sure... Whether they're theists or atheists.
But you were saying that atheism is a claim. That it is a more extraordinary claim than theism, on account of the absence of evidence for it.
I'm saying theism is the claim and atheism is simply the position of not accepting the theism claim... Unlike many other possible a[claim]isms, this one developed a name throughout human history... Because the theism claim has had some success for a long time, most of which mankind was mostly ignorant of the world.
But now we know better, we have many tools at our disposal to probe the world and figure out how it works... Thus far, none of those tools has yielded anything resembling a god - not that they're looking for a god, but for something that is claimed to be so omni, it seems remarkably absent. And this renders the theism claim an extraordinary one .
Like a claim that any work of fiction is indeed real. The force, magic, the TARDIS, zylons, Klingons, etc... The claim that any of these is real is an extraordinary claim and would require some hefty evidence. While the default "I don't believe that claim" requires no evidence at all. You just need to go "nothing in the reality that humans agree upon support that such a claim is true".
And no, cosplayers, people talking about those fictional universes, speaking in languages from those universes, or even providing testimony that they're real is not credible evidence.

If we go with "atheists make no claims" then as to the question of is there a God, we have some evidence that there is and on the other side, we have no evidence there is not (I'll even grant you by definition). My point was and is that if there can only be evidence on one side of the equation, the distinction or need of 'extraordinary evidence' is meaningless. Any evidence is sufficient to increase the probability, because there is no rebuttal evidence to overcome. 

For the same reason, I pointed out that strong atheism actually would be the extraordinary claim because it is doing so with no ordinary evidence.