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If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary?
#51
RE: If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary?
I just don't see what the point is of being such a fucking wishy-washy cafeteria-style bet-hedger of any faith. I already am incapable of respecting how crazy that shit is, but the fact that they don't even have the courage of their own convictions is just laughably pathetic. But they want to be considered to be the ones who are taking the high ground over the fundamentalists? Fuck both of 'em.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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#52
RE: If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary?
(July 29, 2017 at 10:07 am)Whateverist Wrote:
(July 28, 2017 at 2:49 am)Godscreated Wrote: I see you like Christians who do not bother you with a witness and have no concern about your eternal destination. You like Christians who sit around and do little of what the bible instructs us to do. Who said any of us here hate on the gays, that would be your opinion of us because we believe what the word of God says, not in how we associate with gays.


Why do you assume we have an opinion about how xtians carry out their alleged biblical orders (my bolded).  I like people who are well mannered, interesting and forthcoming.  Christians who are likable as people are fine by me.  The pushy, dishonest ones can all go to hell, yourself included.

 Because the atheist here have said many times that a good Christian is one who doesn't bothers others with their beliefs.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#53
RE: If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary?
Yeah, perish the thought, that people with peens keep it in their pants and refrain from shoving them in others faces.  This is why christianity can;t make -you- a better person, if it could make anyone a better person; you're fundamentally immune to common human decency. That takes a back seat, for you, to threatening randos with hellfire for whatever you don't like about them......like a totally normal person. You know, "jesus" bullshitted at length about "crimes of the heart" - and far be it from me to tell an obvious biblical expert like yourself what;s what...but, fantasizing about the fat burning off the bodies of others just -might- make you a filthy sinner.

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#54
RE: If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary?
(July 27, 2017 at 4:12 pm)JackRussell Wrote:
(July 27, 2017 at 4:07 pm)Drich Wrote: all it takes according to Christ is a mustard seed's worth of faith.

(The smallest amount) and God will move mountains of doubt.

I found you need the faith to simply ask and then follow where God leads.

Again, really.

Know I know you are a fraud.

My mustard see was rejected by your God.

You just weren't faithing the way right way, Jack!  😉
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

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#55
RE: If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary?
(July 29, 2017 at 4:00 pm)Godscreated Wrote:
(July 29, 2017 at 10:07 am)Whateverist Wrote: Why do you assume we have an opinion about how xtians carry out their alleged biblical orders (my bolded).  I like people who are well mannered, interesting and forthcoming.  Christians who are likable as people are fine by me.  The pushy, dishonest ones can all go to hell, yourself included.

 Because the atheist here have said many times that a good Christian is one who doesn't bothers others with their beliefs.

GC

Although there are biblical verses which reflect how theists should attempt to save the souls of non-believers, there are equally important biblical verses informing theists to keep their faith to themselves.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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#56
RE: If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary?
(July 29, 2017 at 4:04 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:
(July 29, 2017 at 4:00 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Because the atheist here have said many times that a good Christian is one who doesn't bothers others with their beliefs.

GC

Although there are biblical verses which reflect how theists should attempt to save the souls of non-believers, there are equally important biblical verses informing theists to keep their faith to themselves.


Good point.  Aren't they also cautioned not to make a show of their faith .. something about not making it so obvious when they are praying?
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#57
RE: If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary?
A related question:

If evidence for god is in abundance, why is it necessary for Christianity to suffer yet another schism ??

IOW, why have so many denominations 'done it wrong' and done it wrong to such a spectacular degree so as to inspire a segment of their flock to spin off and start their own denomination ??
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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#58
RE: If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary?
(July 28, 2017 at 11:44 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Faith in god IS faith without reason.  You may have your reasons, but they don't objectivly support the object of your faith.

The Quinque viæ remain undefeated; although, you are welcome to try where so many others have failed.
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#59
RE: If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary?
(July 29, 2017 at 9:44 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(July 28, 2017 at 11:44 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Faith in god IS faith without reason.  You may have your reasons, but they don't objectivly support the object of your faith.

The Quinque viæ remain undefeated; although, you are welcome to try where so many others have failed.

You sad, pathetic fucking cunt. Yes, they have been defeated, you worthless blind jackass. They're self-refuting because they defy their own fucking logic, not that you understand fuck-all about that word. How the fuck do you not understand that? I wasn't even in high school when this was presented and I was able to tear it apart.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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#60
RE: If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary?
Godscreated Wrote:
Whateverist Wrote:Why do you assume we have an opinion about how xtians carry out their alleged biblical orders (my bolded).  I like people who are well mannered, interesting and forthcoming.  Christians who are likable as people are fine by me.  The pushy, dishonest ones can all go to hell, yourself included.

 Because the atheist here have said many times that a good Christian is one who doesn't bothers others with their beliefs.

GC

That's not what makes someone a good Christian. Not nagging and haranguing people who would otherwise be minding their own business is part of what goes into making someone a tolerable person. Not a good person, a tolerable one. Good people can be annoying as all get out, but the ones who are get little traction in attracting people to their point of view. Tolerable people may just be apathetic, or nasty and twisted in minor ways that they're good at hiding. Or major ways if they're REALLY good at hiding it. Of course an intolerably annoying Bible thumper can also be appalling in other ways that they manage to hide. There is no shortage of hard-core preachers who turn out to have bizarre, criminal, or just ironic (as in them doing what they've specifically been preaching against) skeletons in their closets.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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