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RE: To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
July 28, 2017 at 5:52 pm
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(July 28, 2017 at 5:25 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (July 28, 2017 at 5:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Haha, I accept evolution and the big bang. I think it's really interesting actually and this looks like a good doc.
Still better than being a YEC nutter.
My mom was awesome with the COSMOS series. We were political opposites but with that 13 part series, no matter if we watched it together, or she was at her apartment and I was at home, she would call to remind me it was on, then I'd call her or she would call me when it was over. Boy did I enjoy doing that with her.
Neil is da bomb!
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Better still to not be any kind of theistic nutter, but when you're right, you're right.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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July 28, 2017 at 6:04 pm
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July 28, 2017 at 6:28 pm
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It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
July 28, 2017 at 6:32 pm
It was to St. Ambrose in the 4th century, among others. History is a bitch, ain't it? It doesn't go away when you want it to!
Quote:But Scripture established a law that twenty-four
hours, including both day and night, should be given the
name of day only, as if one were to say the length of one day
is twenty-four hours in extent. In such fashion, also, is the
generation of men reckoned which is understood to include
that of women, also. Because what is secondary is bound up
with what is primary, the nights in this reckoning are con-
sidered to be component parts of the days that are counted.
Ambrose of Milan 4th century "The Hexameron"
Take it up with him.
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July 28, 2017 at 6:58 pm
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(July 28, 2017 at 6:04 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Believing in creationism is not an essential doctrine of the Christian faith.
Well that's just, like, your opinion, man. See how meaningless what you're saying about it is when you're talking about something that is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation (and based on complete goatshit)? There are people who would MURDER you for saying such a blasphemous thing.
(July 28, 2017 at 6:04 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Also you don't need to be a theist to have doubts about evolution.
But having doubts if you're completely uneducated on the subject is your own stupid lookout. Those who are well-educated on the subject and don't have an agenda like yours to push are in universal agreement. That's how goddamn fucking strong the evidence is. And it's so simple an elementary school child can be taught and understand it. Really want to paint yourself with a sign that says you're less capable than one of them?
(July 28, 2017 at 6:04 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Case in point, Thomas Nagel's "Mind & Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature is Almost Certainly False" You can find it HERE
Is it even remotely possible that you can give one, just one, reason why anyone should click on that, and expect to find anything other than utter nonsense and/or deliberate fraud? Or are you willing to own up to it and admit this is just a fucking shill for your indoctrination campaign? Do you get a free box of cookies if you meet a certain quota of converts? Talk about diminishing returns.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
July 28, 2017 at 7:19 pm
Everybody knows all this, Brian.
The issue with theists is that their emotional attachment to their religion - their faith - overrides their logical mind. They are not incapable of logic, nor are they ignorant. It is simply that when it comes to this subject, emotion/faith > logic for them. We learned this years ago. You are beating a dead horse. 
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July 28, 2017 at 7:32 pm
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July 28, 2017 at 8:06 pm
(July 28, 2017 at 7:19 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Everybody knows all this, Brian.
The issue with theists is that their emotional attachment to their religion - their faith - overrides their logical mind. They are not incapable of logic, nor are they ignorant. It is simply that when it comes to this subject, emotion/faith > logic for them. We learned this years ago. You are beating a dead horse.
I think most theists in the modern world accept evolution over creationism. Or at least intelligent design. But I think creationists are in the minority.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
July 28, 2017 at 8:17 pm
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So what's the excuse for not accepting all reason over superstitious nonsense? I mean, I'm glad it's stacked up in such a way that there are so few genuine creationists that Ken Ham's sideshow is inevitably going bankrupt, but it would be better if the zeitgeist just didn't include that level of unreasonableness that would lead to its construction in the first place.
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RE: To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
July 28, 2017 at 9:04 pm
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(July 28, 2017 at 6:58 pm)Astonished Wrote: Is it even remotely possible that you can give one, just one, reason why anyone should click on that, and expect to find anything other than utter nonsense and/or deliberate fraud?
Thomas Nagel is one of the most significant philosophers of the 20th Century. His paper, "What is It Like to be A Bat" was an important contribution to philosophy of mind and is required reading in classes on the subject. Before you start accusing other people of ignorance, you might try reading a book. YouTube is not a substitute for actual study from original sources.
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