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Opiate deaths
#11
RE: Opiate deaths
(August 5, 2017 at 8:11 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The insurance companies aid and abet street drug use by paying for treatment.  That basically says that you can use them and if they don't kill you and you keep your insurance policy in effect we will pay for your treatment.  The insurance companies aren't doing it because they are nice guys; they are doing it because they use it as a profit center,  So they are contributing to the problem.

No shit, so why are you in another thread bashing the party that knows this is a problem? Hillary is not the problem. The GOP is and 36 years of deregulation and corporate welfare are.

It never occurs to the far right that people with problems want help. But because of the "just do it" and "what is your problem" and "If you have problems you are a piece of shit", those who want it don't seek help because of the fear of being judged. 

There is an element of that on the left too, unfortunately. People who get pets who end up in over their heads are the same way as addicts. They want to do something but because of PETA and the ASPCA they don't because of the fear of severe punishment. 

Our government if it is to foster more independence cannot base that on a "sink or swim" "fuck you I got mine" attitude. A healthy market does not seek to exploit, but provide. I agree these new addiction referral services are a scam, just like the NRA is a heat shield for gun factories. Insurance companies make money off the misery of the addict.
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#12
RE: Opiate deaths
and I realize this is one of those "I otta be at Al Anon or Nar Anon" topics a little more fully now


hmm, to find a meeting . . . . .
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#13
RE: Opiate deaths
(August 5, 2017 at 8:11 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The insurance companies aid and abet street drug use by paying for treatment.  That basically says that you can use them and if they don't kill you and you keep your insurance policy in effect we will pay for your treatment.  The insurance companies aren't doing it because they are nice guys; they are doing it because they use it as a profit center,  So they are contributing to the problem.

The ACA mandated coverage for addiction treatment coverage with no limits. Prior to that only 1/3 of policies covered addiction treatment and then with benefit limits. 

 I'm not sure you know what you are talking about. This is not a cash cow for insurance companies that you think it is. It is a cash cow for treatment centers, that is why so many have suddenly appeared.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/19/health/hea...index.html

http://www.rehabs.com/pro-talk-articles/...treatment/

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/megyn-kel...ud-n773376
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#14
RE: Opiate deaths
(August 5, 2017 at 9:30 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(August 5, 2017 at 8:11 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The insurance companies aid and abet street drug use by paying for treatment.  That basically says that you can use them and if they don't kill you and you keep your insurance policy in effect we will pay for your treatment.  The insurance companies aren't doing it because they are nice guys; they are doing it because they use it as a profit center,  So they are contributing to the problem.

The ACA mandated coverage for addiction treatment coverage with no limits. Prior to that only 1/3 of policies covered addiction treatment and then with benefit limits. 

 I'm not sure you know what you are talking about. This is not a cash cow for insurance companies that you think it is. It is a cash cow for treatment centers, that is why so many have suddenly appeared.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/19/health/hea...index.html

http://www.rehabs.com/pro-talk-articles/...treatment/

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/megyn-kel...ud-n773376

The insurance companies could have rejected the coverage plan but they saw a way for them to make money off of it.  Then the scammers with the treatment centers got into the game and now they're ripping off the crooks at the insurance companies.  In the meantime people continue to use drugs because they know that someone will take care of them.  So everyone is using everyone else for their own purposes.
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#15
RE: Opiate deaths
It may be bad and unprofessional of me but there have been a rash of deaths in NZ from people taking synthetic cannabis that are made of all sorts of dangerous shit.

My reaction is, "Well, it's all over the news that it kills people yet these idiots are still taking it. At least the unemployment rate is going down."

Yeah, I have very little sympathy.
Dying to live, living to die.
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#16
RE: Opiate deaths
Yeah but in this country at least you have to put a lot of blame on a healthcare system where big pharma can peddle their wares on television and trump up interest in the shit their pushing. People should be less stupid but then, when you're in pain I suppose that bait is tempting.
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#17
RE: Opiate deaths
(August 10, 2017 at 12:19 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: It may be bad and unprofessional of me but there have been a rash of deaths in NZ from people taking synthetic cannabis that are made of all sorts of dangerous shit.

My reaction is, "Well, it's all over the news that it kills people yet these idiots are still taking it. At least the unemployment rate is going down."

Yeah, I have very little sympathy.

I assume they have no way of accessing safe cannabis? It's almost like there's a certain form of a self inflicted problem going on there. Most cases I've heard of where synthetic shit has been used is in evading drug tests.
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#18
RE: Opiate deaths
My frustration with the whole thing, particularly as aggravated by a couple of relatively close 'hits' from the problem is evident. I'm aware of my internal contradictory angles too. Damn them all and I don't care if they all die, and god fucking dammit, another one fucking died.

I'm aware I'm experiencing some EKR style 'bargaining', the issue being somewhat more palatable, perhaps, if I was in control of who lives and who dies.

(gee, a goddamn 12 Stepper with control issues, Jesus Fucking Christ, that's a unique fucking thing, NOT)

I won't go in to too much detail, but someone relatively close to me is really fucking up in their addiction, and I could care less. Agreeable to a greater degree when hammered, not blowing a shit load of $$$ on their problem, and actually being pretty benign in the area of posing a risk to others. Fuck 'em.

And then I get a cage rattler outta the past and have a melt down.

That trait goes all the way back to my 'coming out' in the fall of '75. The friends I made in that era set a pattern, the people I'm close to rate higher than family. (who by and large I am not very open to about the part of my life I do share with those I'm open with)

And still haven't had time to track down an Al Anon meeting . . .
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#19
RE: Opiate deaths
(August 10, 2017 at 12:30 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote:
(August 10, 2017 at 12:19 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: It may be bad and unprofessional of me but there have been a rash of deaths in NZ from people taking synthetic cannabis that are made of all sorts of dangerous shit.

My reaction is, "Well, it's all over the news that it kills people yet these idiots are still taking it. At least the unemployment rate is going down."

Yeah, I have very little sympathy.

I assume they have no way of accessing safe cannabis? It's almost like there's a certain form of a self inflicted problem going on there. Most cases I've heard of where synthetic shit has been used is in evading drug tests.

Part of the problem is that cannibis is still illegal here.

If they want ro save lives they should legalise it and do their best to stamp out the synthetic shit. Twelve deaths that I'm aware of so far.
Dying to live, living to die.
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#20
RE: Opiate deaths
Does legalization really help?

From what tiny bit I've absorbed about it, the prices are exorbitant. That's going to leave some (most?) folks stuck with the cheap + dangerous shit they find on the street.
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