Mueller's Getting Serious

[Brian37]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Ok, even if believed you, what the fuck does that have to do with you supporting a narcissistic asshole bully?

"I know you are but what am I?" 

Poor poor persecuted white people. 

You really want to take race out of politics? Do you really? Or is all this false persecution bullshit on your part merely because minorities have grown not to accept that they have to sit at the back of the bus?

I do believe most, especially younger generations that MOST dont want race to be a factor in politics. Problem is there is still far too much of old money gripping our political dialogue. The GOP still and literally has people yielding power old enough to remember the days of segregation. 

"Get over it" is the new mantra, but again, even that is a bullshit act they sell to get BOTH blacks and whites pitted against each other to ignore wallet issues. 

"Poor whites" is that your argument now?

The rust belt got conned, nothing more. Nobody is persecuting white people. One party and one man is conning white people.

Where did I say I thought white people were being persecuted? I just pointed out how you stupid shit Dems lost the support of the white working class voters in the rust belt and coal states. They continued losing their jobs under Obama and the Dems continued to ignore them. The Dems had no message. There was no conning. You Dems just fucked your own selves in the ass. Even Schumer said the Dems needed a better message other than resist. Try winning back the WH without those white working class voters and see how far you get.

Then stop fucking acting like it, that simple.

[SteelCurtain]

There's a democrat poll which shows the Dems are polling even worse than the president among the white working class voters. Eight years of Obama and the left and their war on coal and manufacturing through regulations, some of which Trump reversed, cost the Dems those working class votes. Trump's message of bringing jobs back resonated with those voters.
https://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenso...s-n2362229

I am sure not going to argue that Dems are feckless and have no messaging ability and no backbone. They refused to own ACA, and now that it's more popular than not, it's too late to defend it. This "A Better Deal" bullshit is as limp-dicked as you can get. You'll get no argument from me.

But that's largely because voters get fired up about issues that don't affect them personally. The GOP is incredible at telling lies until they become as true as the Bible for most GOP voters. Immigration, Abortion, Guns --- the "insert Dem here" is gonna take your guns, or kill your babies, or let all the Mexicans in fire people up even though they are demonstrably false, and they vote against their own economic interests because those things empassion them more than boring economic policies. No matter how many Democrats get into office or become President and make little or no moves towards changing any of these policies---the white collar workers will believe it.

As far as coal and manufacturing, regulations had very little to do with the decline in numbers for jobs in those industries. Fracking the entire southwest did. Natural gas is cleaner, safer, and less expensive to extract than coal. That fucking free market bites both ways. Coal is dirty, dangerous to extract, and costly in terms of manpower. Republican bills subsidizing mountaintop removal mining in coal country cut jobs, because the 10-20% of the manpower is needed to extract the same amount of coal. Automation and modularization is killing manufacturing jobs. I saw it in the GM plant I worked in. I worked on an engine machining line that had over 100 skilled laborers on three shifts working 7 days a week. They shut that line down because it was 16 years past its scheduled operation date, and when they opened up the new line in its place, it was staffed with 30 people. 70% jobs lost to modularization alone. The new line can machine engines as long as they want to maintain the boxes, as many different engine models as they want, just need 2-3 programmers and mechanics to retool and reprogram the boxes. This is happening everywhere. Immigrants aren't taking good American jobs, robots are. They are cheaper, quicker, and they don't fuck up as much.

So TL : DR, sure the GOP is better at telling people what they want to hear, and clearly people like you buy it up because it fits your narrative, but that doesn't make them correct.

[Alex K]

You know who, exactly 150 years ago, had very deep insights about the social consequences of company-owned machines taking away jobs from skilled workers? I'm just saying, it's not a new problem.

[SteelCurtain]

You know who, exactly 150 years ago, had very deep insights about the social consequences of company-owned machines taking away jobs from skilled workers? I'm just saying, it's not a new problem.

Not even remotely. But it is exponentially having broader impact across industries. When it hits the service industry in full force, there will be a massive problem.

[Minimalist]

They are cheaper, quicker, and they don't fuck up as much.

And smarter than fucking rednecks.

[A Theist]

You know who, exactly 150 years ago, had very deep insights about the social consequences of company-owned machines taking away jobs from skilled workers? I'm just saying, it's not a new problem.

Not even remotely. But it is exponentially having broader impact across industries. When it hits the service industry in full force, there will be a massive problem.

Oh shit! Sky Net's taking over!

Soon our job's will be lost to these fuckers!
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[Minimalist]

Actually Amazon is taking over!

[A Theist]

Actually Amazon is taking over!

Yeah, no kidding. They work the dog shit out of their employees, too. There's a huge Amazon warehouse right around the corner from where I work. Some of our people left and went to work for Amazon. Six days a week. Ten to twelve hours a day and only two paid holidays off, Thanksgiving and Christmas day. They have a high turnover rate of employees who either quit or get fired. Ohio doesn't have much to offer anymore by way of good paying jobs. Manufacturing's all but left the State and most of what we have now are low paying retail, warehouse, and service industry jobs. If any place needs a union Amazon would be one to target.

[vorlon13]

I wonder if Mueller takes after Comey enough to have a flair for ruining EVERYBODY'S day ??

Literally, all it would take is for Imran Awan to order a salad with Russian dressing and Schumer would be on his knees sucking Trumply's dick so fast to be able to work out a deal to get Mueller and his investigators dropped in an active volcano somewhere Schumer's lips would make little sonic booms as he commences sucking the nation's first penis.