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RE: The theory of evolution HOAX
August 15, 2017 at 2:06 pm
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LOL......"Khem is wrong"
It's not my opinion that the vatican infallibly declared genesis to be a history, or that the catechism says what it does. It's not my fault that your church is duplicitous -or- that you are incapable of understanding the difference between evolution, id, and special creation.
Maybe you should point that angst where it belongs, at the people who do not respect you enough to speak plainly to you, and in so doing consign you to repeating their half truths and blatant lies - or more strangely..if their fairy tales are true...risk your eternal soul by putting you through that?
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RE: The theory of evolution HOAX
August 15, 2017 at 2:25 pm
(August 15, 2017 at 2:06 pm)Khemikal Wrote: LOL......"Khem is wrong"
It's not my opinion that the vatican infallibly declared genesis to be a history, or that the catechism says what it does. It's not my fault that your church is duplicitous -or- that you are incapable of understanding the difference between evolution, id, and special creation.
Maybe you should point that angst where it belongs, at the people who do not respect you enough to speak plainly to you, and in so doing consign you to repeating their half truths and blatant lies - or more strangely..if their fairy tales are true...risk your eternal soul by putting you through that?
Hey, don't get discouraged! I'm sure she appreciates that you're trying your best. 
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RE: The theory of evolution HOAX
August 15, 2017 at 2:27 pm
It's always fun when an atheist who has never even been catholic tries to tell me they know more about my religion than I do.
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RE: The theory of evolution HOAX
August 15, 2017 at 2:29 pm
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But I still think that any religion which wants to put a set of trainer wheels on the theory of evolution by saying god made it so is still better off in every way over a theist who fights against accepting the obvious truth.
You know how little kids will drive you crazy asking a "..but why?" to every answer sometimes? Asking why the theory of evolution is as described is just one of those. If offering a here-is-where-god-comes-in answer helps the medicine go down, where is the harm?
(August 15, 2017 at 2:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It's always fun when an atheist who has never even been catholic tries to tell me they know more about my religion than I do.
Let me know if you'd like any help understanding your feelings as a woman. I got you. 
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RE: The theory of evolution HOAX
August 15, 2017 at 2:32 pm
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(August 15, 2017 at 2:25 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Hey, don't get discouraged! I'm sure she appreciates that you're trying your best.
I've just never understood the impetus behind shooting the messenger, lol. The irony in the RCC's crisis of faith, at present, is that they themselves created it and now can't find a way to contain it.
(August 15, 2017 at 2:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It's always fun when an atheist who has never even been catholic tries to tell me they know more about my religion than I do.
I suspect that the infallible decrees of popes and the catechism of the catholic church are more authoritative than eithewr of us, but you be you, CL - don't mistake my comments for a criticism of your incredulity when it comes to your own churches doctrine.
I don't believe in it either. In any case, being a religious practitioner doesn't really suggest that a person knows much about their own religion. The RCC laments this in their flock constantly, but, at the same time..as we've seen, they positively depend upon it as well. Otherwise, how could they float the "it's okay to believe in evolution" PR campaign, eh?
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RE: The theory of evolution HOAX
August 15, 2017 at 2:35 pm
(August 15, 2017 at 2:05 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote: (August 15, 2017 at 1:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: And of course, there's the little detail that the man who first presented the big bang theory was a catholic priest who was also a scientist.
. . . which speaks to his ability as a scientist and does absolutely nothing to prop up any of the claims of Christian doctrine.
Yes, it was the scientist part of him that made the discovery, not the priest part of him. Science and religion are 2 seperate fields. My point was that contrary to Khem's claims, it is not against Catholicism to believe in evolution, considering the father of the Big Bang theory was none other than a catholic priest himself.
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RE: The theory of evolution HOAX
August 15, 2017 at 2:35 pm
(August 15, 2017 at 2:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It's always fun when an atheist who has never even been catholic tries to tell me they know more about my religion than I do.
I might say the fact that you remain a catholic means you are not even aware there is much about catholicism for you to know other than what the Catholic Church wants you to know.
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RE: The theory of evolution HOAX
August 15, 2017 at 2:39 pm
(August 15, 2017 at 2:35 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (August 15, 2017 at 2:05 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote: . . . which speaks to his ability as a scientist and does absolutely nothing to prop up any of the claims of Christian doctrine.
Yes, it was the scientist part of him that made the discovery, not the priest part of him. Science and religion are 2 seperate fields. My point was that contrary to Khem's claims, it is not against Catholicism to believe in evolution, considering the father of the Big Bang theory was none other than a catholic priest himself.
Making the Catholic priest part of his life largely irrelevant, surely? To his scientific side, I mean. The one doesn't inform the other.
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RE: The theory of evolution HOAX
August 15, 2017 at 2:41 pm
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(August 15, 2017 at 2:35 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (August 15, 2017 at 2:05 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote: . . . which speaks to his ability as a scientist and does absolutely nothing to prop up any of the claims of Christian doctrine.
Yes, it was the scientist part of him that made the discovery, not the priest part of him. Science and religion are 2 seperate fields. My point was that contrary to Khem's claims, You must mean; "contrary to vatican 1 and the catechism of the catholic church".
I can;t take credit for either...you must realize that? I'm not the pope, and they didn't consult me for doctrine.
Quote:it is not against Catholicism to believe in evolution, considering the father of the Big Bang theory was none other than a catholic priest himself.
What does the latter have to do with the former.....and perhaps you should, at least, put an asterisk behind "evolution"?
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RE: The theory of evolution HOAX
August 15, 2017 at 2:43 pm
(August 15, 2017 at 2:39 pm)Cyberman Wrote: (August 15, 2017 at 2:35 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yes, it was the scientist part of him that made the discovery, not the priest part of him. Science and religion are 2 seperate fields. My point was that contrary to Khem's claims, it is not against Catholicism to believe in evolution, considering the father of the Big Bang theory was none other than a catholic priest himself.
Making the Catholic priest part of his life largely irrelevant, surely?
Again, relevant to the point I was making that belief in evolution is not against Church teaching.
Not relevent to his theory/discovery itself.
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