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God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
(September 5, 2017 at 12:56 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:
(September 5, 2017 at 11:17 am)Drich Wrote: And if He does?

Do you all really think that just because God did not reach out to you, He reaches out to no one?
Universe revolve around you much?

Your warm fuzzy feely-weelies do not count as a revelation, Drich.
Agree. Check out messenger/message thread i did a while back. God sent a messenger. He told me where I had been where I was, what was bothering me, and told me of things yet to come. Told me of prayers I had only prayed in my head. Also told me how it would all end. EVERYTHING so far has happened or had happened as this guy described.

So do revelations count as revelations? if so... Then God reveals Himself to those that follow Him and need said revelation.

Quote:AIDS/Cancer No treatment on either...

Quote:False.
Actually True.
Quote:AIDS patients have had access to retro viral drugs for years, plus other treatments to combat various aspects of that illness.
FALSE, AIDS is a SYNDROME Meaning a condition in this case describes an auto immune deficiency. There are many reason why one can have a diminished autoimmune response. You are describing one AIDS response where the HIV virus destroys the body's ability to fight infection of sickness. There are also several non viral reasons AIDS.. In essence one can test positive for AIDS and not have the HIV virus. That said I do understand the most popular way to get AIDS is from HIV.

SO as I said God saw me through an AIDS diagnosis without any medication.

Quote:If they can get those treatments, many of them lead more or less normal lives. Cancer patients, likewise, may have access to various treatments that manage the disease and/or its symptoms.
I have a specific cancer marker for non hodgekins lymphoma, but no cancer cells. Makes my new doctors (thanks obama care) go nuts.
(again with no medication)

I think what you might have meant is "cure," and you'd be wrong there, too. At least one person has been cured of AIDS via bone marrow transplant from a genetically resistant donor, and cancer can be eliminated from people's bodies with chemo, radiation, cannabis oil, and probably other things (sometimes temporarily, other times for good).[/quote] Ah, you'd be the wrong one there sport. there are several examples of people who were diagnosis with HIV, it has been well documented they are called elite controllers.)
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/51/...at-They-Do

Don't know which group I belong to, but I know now when ever science has someone like me 20 years agao who tested positive and then could not explain my recovery it's called an anomally. when there are too many of us to deny they give us a name so as to futher take God out of the picture.

That crutch or term "elite controller" are for people like you who would rather deny someone who has been documented with AIDS and now is free than acknowledge God. So rather than have you deny undeniable 'proof' people like you give a mirical a name and somehow it is supposed to be less miraculous just because someone thinks they explain what happens.
In the end I take great confort in the fact that most of you can not explain what happened to me and need a crutch like an elite controller or non HIV AIDS to explain away people like me without having to say the "m" word.

Quote:I fought every school day of my life from 6th grade to 10th. I now see i would not have made it if not for HIm.

Quote:Why? Did he use his magic to help you beat up your school mates? What a dick.
No.. from what I understand when your kids are hated so much by so many, then tend to turn on themselves and hate themselves. I never fell down that road.. plus when you fight every day you get really good at it.

Quote:Just make sure you don't fight anyone who has access to chariots of iron. Those things fuck Jehovah's shit right up.
Good thing I'm not being judged by him and being punished by iron chariots like those found in the story of the book of JUDGES

Quote:More times than I can count.


Maybe without those things I would think as you do. But at the same time you are without those things because you did not ever A/S/K for them either.

Quote:When you interpret every possible outcome as a sign from your god, it doesn't matter what you ask for. You'll always get an answer, and you'll always think it's the right one. It's like letting go of a balloon and telling it, "Please make it rain someday," and then the next time it rains you're like "MY SPELL WORKED!"
You have o idea what you are talking about. I am a shit happens person. it is when there is "NO WAY FOR THAT TO BE REAL" do I attribute it to God.

For a homeless black guy begging for change know the prayer I pray in my Head, for Him to tell me about the family problem I was currently in the middle of and to accurately describe a relationship I was in.. To tell me about what was going to happen and it friggen did/is going on right now!!!
That is a God thing.

To be told by a doctor you have AIDS and then it gets resolved after much prayer... (I know science wants to claim it) but in 1993 to the doctors it was a GOD thing.

I sing a jesus song and find 5 bucks... that's a shit happens. because some poor guy lost 5 bucks.

I simply give credit where credit is due, and I am blessed with more.

Quote:Thank God, God is not like that then Huh?

On one side of the fence people say what you do, and on the other people say the opposite.. the problem with a proud person is you do not see the fence you do not see the division God has placed between us. Then a proud person wrongly assumes that because God does not speak to me, he can not speak to anyone.
That make people who claim that he does, stupid or a liar...

Quote:That is a false dichotomy. They could also simply be mistaken.
not from this side of the fence.
I denied God as long as I could, but in the end my search for truth lead me to no other conclusion.

Quote:2000 years of stupid liars... when in every single other case of false religion has never lasted longer than the society that it originates from..

Ummm...bullshit? Buddhism is about 2,500 years old and spread far beyond the society that created it.[/quote]Ahh... no. Buddhism is not a religion in the sense that it does not worship a central God figure or figures. Buddhism is a saddah. there are not deity. Buddhism is a philosophy of life.
Westerns try and turn the teachings of buddah into a religion, but have failed. as it's core and purest forms remain apart from what defines a religion.
http://www.buddhanet.net/nutshell03.htm
Quote: Plenty of other religions have managed to span culture and time, too. Does that mean those religions aren't false? How do you reconcile that with the fact that they flatly contradict yours?
Name one religion that has superseded the culture that founded it outside of Christianity. In that it is practiced today as it was when it was founded.

Quote:OR... What if those who claim to have seen God simply have, and you and those like you are indeed simply on the outs?
Quote:Really? Like, really bro?
Like, yuh bruh. Judged sentenced and cast out.

Ok...so how do you contend with the claims of people who are completely convinced (like, as convinced as you are) that they've seen gods you don't believe in?[/quote] God is not the only being who in the history of man to claim that title. If I remember correctly Lucifer and his peeps tend to pretend to be 'gods' when it suits them.

Quote: What if all those people were right, and you're simply on the outs?
Then I am content to spend eternity with the deity who has helped me over the years.

Quote:Furthermore, how do you contend with people like me? I used to see and hear god, along with a host of other supernatural shit (ghosts, demons, magical energy, etc.), and now I'm convinced that I was mistaken and that none of those things are real. What now?
It is completely possible that You weren't mistaken, you just cant explain what or why you heard what you did. Or you've learned to dull your wits and senses to only focus on what is in front of you in the physical world..

But again. not everything claiming to be God is God. the only true measures is how it stacks against what scripture says. for that you must know what scripture says yourself to discern what you see or hear is of God.

I would say test what you see. question everything hold on to what is good.

(September 5, 2017 at 2:52 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Drich does love him some good old-fashioned burden of proof shifting. Mmm, now that's mighty fine fallacy!

The burden is and will always be on God. He made the promise to make good if we A,B,C.... So all we need do is follow his instructions and we will have whatever we need.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
But we don't have "God" here, do we? We've only got you, and your mates. So until your pet god decides to stump up some evidence, you're the ones stuck with the burden of proof. Sucks, but that's the cookie you chose.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
(September 5, 2017 at 11:17 am)Drich Wrote: 2000 years of stupid liars... when in every single other case of false religion has never lasted longer than the society that it originates from..

OR... What if those who claim to have seen God simply have, and you and those like you are indeed simply on the outs?

You are really full of shit, aren't you?  You're either lying or stupid.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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(September 5, 2017 at 4:44 pm)Cyberman Wrote: But we don't have "God" here, do we? We've only got you, and your mates. So until your pet god decides to stump up some evidence, you're the ones stuck with the burden of proof. Sucks, but that's the cookie you chose.

Actually.. "We" do. and as such God is responsible for proof. Which He has made attainable for all of those who would humble themselves not before any of us, but before Him (quietly secretly)

(September 6, 2017 at 9:16 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:
(September 5, 2017 at 11:17 am)Drich Wrote: 2000 years of stupid liars... when in every single other case of false religion has never lasted longer than the society that it originates from..

OR... What if those who claim to have seen God simply have, and you and those like you are indeed simply on the outs?

You are really full of shit, aren't you?  You're either lying or stupid.

Or I'm not and what I have said is true.

I know for those like you who think yourself better than everyone else it is far easier to simply dismiss everyone who believes in God as a liar, but truthfully history does not bear out worship to nothingness... No religion lasts a generation maybe two beyond the society that supported it. Meaning people are not stupid and once they find out there is absllutly nothing behind a God they move on.

So either the vast majority of the world is beyond deluded or there is indeed something people witness that aligns them with their deity.

Which means people like you are simply missing out on something.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
(September 6, 2017 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote:
(September 5, 2017 at 4:44 pm)Cyberman Wrote: But we don't have "God" here, do we? We've only got you, and your mates. So until your pet god decides to stump up some evidence, you're the ones stuck with the burden of proof. Sucks, but that's the cookie you chose.

Actually.. "We" do. and as such God is responsible for proof. Which He has made attainable for all of those who would humble themselves not before any of us, but before Him (quietly secretly)

No, actually we don't. I can honestly say, with total confidence and access to the membership database, that "he" has never even tried to register as a member here. So until then, looks like "he" is stiffing you with the burden of proof. Hey, take it up with "him".
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
How 'bout this:

True or false; A god who is a trickster (think Loki) or a demon posing as a god, would use suspicious means to 'prove' itself rather than overtly showing itself. Such as only revealing itself to a limited few, or using fallible methods of communicating, or using threats in its messages to enforce belief.

Sound familiar?
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
(September 6, 2017 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote:
(September 5, 2017 at 4:44 pm)Cyberman Wrote: But we don't have "God" here, do we? We've only got you, and your mates. So until your pet god decides to stump up some evidence, you're the ones stuck with the burden of proof. Sucks, but that's the cookie you chose.

Actually.. "We" do. and as such God is responsible for proof. Which He has made attainable for all of those who would humble themselves not before any of us, but before Him (quietly secretly)

(September 6, 2017 at 9:16 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: You are really full of shit, aren't you?  You're either lying or stupid.

Or I'm not and what I have said is true.

I know for those like you who think yourself better than everyone else it is far easier to simply dismiss everyone who believes in God as a liar, but truthfully history does not bear out worship to nothingness... No religion lasts a generation maybe two beyond the society that supported it. Meaning people are not stupid and once they find out there is absllutly nothing behind a God they move on.

So either the vast majority of the world is beyond deluded or there is indeed something people witness that aligns them with their deity.

Which means people like you are simply missing out on something.

Just proving my point.  We don't make god out as a liar, we make YOU out as a liar, or, at the very least, a gullible person with an ego complex that can't allow themselves to be wrong once they've decided to believe something.

And now it's "a generation maybe two".  Were those goalposts heavy?

Yes, the vast majority of the world IS deluded.  The combination of power hungry leaders, indoctrination and emotional neediness is prime fertilizer for religion.  Reason and logic have taken a back seat to these things.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
(September 5, 2017 at 4:36 pm)Drich Wrote: [edit]
FALSE,  AIDS is a SYNDROME Meaning a condition in this case describes an auto immune deficiency. There are many reason why one can have a diminished autoimmune response. You are describing one AIDS response where the HIV virus destroys the body's ability to fight infection of sickness. There are also several non viral reasons AIDS.. In essence one can test positive for AIDS and not have the HIV virus. That said I do understand the most popular way to get AIDS is from HIV.

SO as I said God saw me through an AIDS diagnosis without any medication.
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Medical source please. Ones that specifically describe non HIV related autoimmune disorders as AIDS. Sources that are not bullshit.
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(September 7, 2017 at 11:24 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Medical source please. Ones that specifically describe non HIV related autoimmune disorders as AIDS. Sources that are not bullshit.

^^^ This.  Peer-reviewed journal references, or it didn't happen.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
Remember d(delisional)rich, the A in AIDS stand for acquired, not auto-. Don't even try to use autoimmune disorders.
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