God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability

[I_am_not_mafia]

[Drich]

[Cyberman]

Except that this very intelligent creature doesn't give a flying fox about your magic storybook, and has said so multiple times. Whatever you have defeated regarding me is only in your head. Please leave me out of your fantasies.

Any scriptures you've discussed with me and misinterpreted them I've corrected you about them and yet you still refuse to see.

Actually, I make it a point not to discuss your scriptures with you, or anyone. I may bring up the odd reference here and there for various reasons, but to me it's like a discussion about Game of Thrones; uninteresting and pointless. The book is so bloated, so haphazardly compiled, any bit one cares to cite will always be negated by a different bit that says the opposite. Like matter and antimatter, that cancels out the whole thing for me. Hitting me over the head with the book can't knock me out faster than simply pulling out the least verse from it.

So basically, I'm pointing out that you're not likely to have scored a victory over me in that game, because I refuse to play it. That's all.

[The Grand Nudger]

i have, and concluded that infact he is the bad guy, and I am good with that. Why?
I forgot the book, but it basically took the star wars story and told it from the imperial side. A galaxy where law and order reigned, where everyone was fed, no sickness no, one left behind everyone had equal access and an equal duty to support soceity. But the terrorist rebels who were comprised of drug smugglers, religious fanatics, and anarchists wage their holy war against the established government. and acts like the death star destruction were compared to 9/11 and pearl harbor type attacks..

You've sourced a theologically important conclusion.......from star wars fan fiction.  

In the end terms like 'good guy/bad guy' have very little meaning as all is subjective. when you do not have absolutes.

You can't exhale a single breath without hedging when you start talking god, can you?

Meaning with an ever change sense of morality/righteousness the term bad guy can very eaisly be aplied to anyone including god. Why? because the values that you use to judge can be influenced and change. If that is the case then those values are worthless. so too is any judgement based on them. So to call God a bad guy is the equivalent of the Taliban calling seal team six evil.  I mean yes... to the taliban the heros who took out osama would be cnsidered evil, but consider the source..

aaaaand we segue from star wars fanfic, to taliban sympathizing....for christ.....

Likewise God can be call evil but again.. look who is calling God evil.(those who do not want to follow God's laws.)

What, do you imagine, is the logical conclusion of this appeal to hypocrisy?

[Cyberman]

Drich, if you saw two bears charge out from the trees and attack a group of people, and you had a gun, would you try to save the people? Or would you think it was "God's" will and not get involved?

[Astonished]

This is why, when you get down to it, no one is a true Xtian/whatever. You have to pick a yes/no answer to EVERYTHING and always have a good, solid reason to justify it in either direction. So when the word is so inconsistent as to render this bullshit idea of absolutes completely moot, you just look like an asshole trying to argue otherwise. But then that's not even necessary for a prick like Dripschit, he seems to excel at it without needing to appeal to the bible.

As for Gullible Cretin suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect, it's actually schizophrenia in his case, so it's far worse.

[Edwardo Piet]

Because you're god. Congratulations on admitting it to yourself.

Theism = self-worship

How does theism = self worship though? I for one certainly don't think I "worship" myself. I mean, obviously I can be selfish and self serving at times because I'm not perfect, but my faith doesn't teach me to be that way, it teaches me not to be that way.

I think the idea is that the God you think you worship is merely a part of your own imagination... therefore when you worship 'Him' you're merely worshiping a part of yourself.

[Catholic_Lady]

How does theism = self worship though? I for one certainly don't think I "worship" myself. I mean, obviously I can be selfish and self serving at times because I'm not perfect, but my faith doesn't teach me to be that way, it teaches me not to be that way.

I think the idea is that the God you think you worship is merely a part of your own imagination... therefore when you worship 'Him' you're merely worshiping a part of yourself.

But if he were merely a part of MY personal imagination, He would just be whatever I would have wanted Him to be. I wouldn't be part of a larger faith. I wouldn't read about Catholic teaching and Natural Law in an attempt to learn more about God. God would just be whatever I came up with in my head.

[Drich]

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i have, and concluded that infact he is the bad guy, and I am good with that. Why?
I forgot the book, but it basically took the star wars story and told it from the imperial side. A galaxy where law and order reigned, where everyone was fed, no sickness no, one left behind everyone had equal access and an equal duty to support soceity. But the terrorist rebels who were comprised of drug smugglers, religious fanatics, and anarchists wage their holy war against the established government. and acts like the death star destruction were compared to 9/11 and pearl harbor type attacks..

You've sourced a theologically important conclusion.......from star wars fan fiction.  

The point is that "good/morality" is subjective. God no matter how good is someone's Satan and vise versa.

In the end terms like 'good guy/bad guy' have very little meaning as all is subjective. when you do not have absolutes.

You can't exhale a single breath without hedging when you start talking god, can you?

The star wars example in of it self had nothing to do with God. the author drew no paralells between God and evil. It simple showed perspective and how it changes when viewed through the lens of one form of indoctrination or the other.

aaaaand we segue from star wars fanfic, to taliban sympathizing....for christ.....

Likewise God can be call evil but again.. look who is calling God evil.(those who do not want to follow God's laws.)

What, do you imagine, is the logical conclusion of this appeal to hypocrisy?

That "morality" is subjective to indoctrination. To which All have been indoctrinated by some type of societal influence. So rather than judge the deity in this case judge the societal influence/indoctrination.

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Drich, if you saw two bears charge out from the trees and attack a group of people, and you had a gun, would you try to save the people? Or would you think it was "God's" will and not get involved?

It depends on the laws and who those people were.

Two strangers and the law allowed it I would help them..

It Kim jong un and Putin were the two guys being eaten... might lean towards will of God..

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This is why, when you get down to it, no one is a true Xtian/whatever. You have to pick a yes/no answer to EVERYTHING and always have a good, solid reason to justify it in either direction. So when the word is so inconsistent as to render this bullshit idea of absolutes completely moot, you just look like an asshole trying to argue otherwise. But then that's not even necessary for a prick like Dripschit, he seems to excel at it without needing to appeal to the bible.

As for Gullible Cretin suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect, it's actually schizophrenia in his case, so it's far worse.

Here's the thing about Christianity most of you simply do not understand. Christ dying on the cross makes it ok not to be a yes or a no on everything. When Christ died for us the bar that each person know a yes or n to everything was removed. Now the standard is come with all that you can understand. what you get wrong will be forgiven what you don't understand will be filled in. There is no set standard anymore just do you absolute best.

[Harry Nevis]

I think the idea is that the God you think you worship is merely a part of your own imagination... therefore when you worship 'Him' you're merely worshiping a part of yourself.

But if he were merely a part of MY personal imagination, He would just be whatever I would have wanted Him to be. I wouldn't be part of a larger faith. I wouldn't read about Catholic teaching and Natural Law in an attempt to learn more about God. God would just be whatever I came up with in my head.

That would be true if your imagination was in no way influenced by your culture.  But it is.

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Here's the thing about Christianity most of you simply do not understand. Christ dying on the cross makes it ok not to be a yes or a no on everything. When Christ died for us the bar that each person know a yes or n to everything was removed. Now the standard is come with all that you can understand. what you get wrong will be forgiven what you don't understand will be filled in. There is no set standard anymore just do you absolute best.

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We ALL understand that this is what you believe.  What you can't see to grasp is that it is a ridiculous belief when you apply even a modicum of rational thought and critical analysis.  It all comes down to the fact that you believe because you want to, not because it makes sense.