Wellfare?

[The Industrial Atheist]

What do people like you think of the Welfare system in this country?

In theory I think it is good, but I think if unchecked it could lead to laziness and sloth.

Why are the poor so poor? Often they have no concept of work or really family history of owning property and keeping everything in order.

If we take away the welfare from people who don't really earn it I just think they'd have the incentive to get off their rumps and actually work for a living.

Women would definitely be disincentivized to have numerous bastard children outside of wedlock.

Maybe if Boqueesha stopped birthing babies by 10 different fathers (and get paid handsomey for each one) she'd be able to imrpove her own life for a change.

Any thoughts?

You generally don't get ahead by having tons of kids on welfare. That's a myth. You get enough to feed and clothe them.

On average families on welfare have the same number of kids as everyone else.

http://fair.org/extra/five-media-myths-about-welfare/

[Amarok]

Ah the retard view the rich need carrot sticks the poor need a cattle prod to bad psychology has already proven that's bullshit .

As for welfare any civilized nation has provisions for the needy . And why the savagery of people the OP of this thread is rejected .

As for the 30s that's because people seem more willing to be abused and exploited often at there own detriment  . That shit not happening now . And were all better for it.

[Joods]

Define "don't really earn it".

I mean they don't really do work to "earn" the money they generate. Its more like eternal christmas presents than earning your daily bread as it were.

The welfare system wasn't designed to make people rich and you're an idiot if you think that's the case. There is no "eternal christmas" for the working poor. Many of the US working poor depend on at least one form of government assistance to get by. 

Who are the working poor in the United states? 

Here are the working poor.

The “working poor” are people who spend 27 weeks or more in a year in the labor force either working or looking for work but whose incomes fall below the poverty level. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, about 9.5 million of people who spent at least 27 weeks in the labor force were poor. That year, the working poor comprised 6.3 percent of all individuals in the labor force.
The majority of the people who live below the poverty level do not work, but this includes children, the elderly and the disabled poor. Among the poor between ages 18 and 64 who are not disabled or in school in 2014, 51.8 percent worked for part of the previous year. However, only 25.2 percent of these “able-bodied” poor worked more than 50 weeks.
In 2014, the working poor as a fraction of all people in the labor force for 27 weeks or more were:

• 11.7% Black, 11.7% Hispanic/Latino, 5.5% White, 4.3% Asian
  
  
• 7.2% women, 5.5% men
  
  
• 18.3% with less than a high school diploma
  
  
• 8.3% high school graduates with no college education
  
  
• 2% with a bachelor’s degree or higher
  

So...Fuck you. I'm in this class of people. My domestic partner is in this class of people. We support three kids. We struggle to make it on the $17.85 an hour that he makes. And I am back on Disability. 

How about instead of continuing your diatribe of lumping people together and considering us lazy, you shut the fuck up since you clearly don't know what you are talking about. 

Are wages or jobs the problem for the working poor?

The connection between poverty and labor markets is complex. High, stable wages and stable full-time employment can keep many out of poverty. However, stagnation of wages at the bottom of the US wage distribution over the past several decades and continuing low rates of full-time work, especially in single-parent households, often leave families below the official poverty threshold.

bold mine. 

Labor Markets and Poverty

In 1996, the United States reformed its welfare system, linking benefits more directly to labor force participation. When combined with the expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, which subsidizes low wage workers through the tax code, work has become a cornerstone of American anti-poverty policy. At the same time, rising income inequality and stagnant real wages among less-skilled workers mean that working one’s way out of poverty is more challenging than ever before.

With these trends as a backdrop, a number of new questions are emerging. For example, how can government programs best address poverty if full-time work itself does not provide sufficient income to move many families out of poverty? Given the evolving consensus that poor mothers should be expected to work, how will women’s employment, family structure and poverty evolve in the 21st Century?

Oh and if you think that college grads have it any better, think again. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...e/3324303/

Published 12:48 p.m. ET Oct. 31, 2013 | Updated 12:51 p.m. ET Oct. 31, 2013

A college degree is no longer enough.

A study released this week by Chegg, the Student Hub and the Harris Interactive found a substantial skill gap between students' self-assessed readiness when entering the workforce and the skills employers actually want.
"The speed of which things are changing is much faster than institutions are able to change," says Dan Rosensweig, president and CEO of Chegg.
In a survey of 2,001 students or recent graduates — 18- to 24-year-olds — and 1,000 hiring managers, fewer than two in five hiring managers who had interviewed recent graduates in the past two years found them prepared for a job in their field of study.
In contrast, half of all students surveyed felt they were job-ready upon graduation, creating a 17-point gap in the different perceptions between both parties.
Facing a grim job market, a slow economic restoration and competition from other graduates, college students are scrambling to stand out.

I cannot imagine things have gotten any better for college grads in the last four years.

[Amarok]

Yup the dumbass logic that doing work (parenting ) is a way of getting out of work(a Job)

And the large  expense of raising kids will somehow make you richer

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Trumpet, I mean Europa, have you really researched this or are you quoting Rush Limbaugh?

[bennyboy]

It's definitely that way in Canada, at least sometimes. Guys will find some psychiatrist to say they are too anxious to work or something, then they can spend the summer at the beach. In fact, I was one of those guys-- my doctor said this to me: "I'll write you a note, but you have to promise to register for school next year and take out a student loan." Turned out well. . . I loved college, came to Korea, got married, have a pretty good life now.

My view is that welfare should be a citizen's right-- you get X number of weeks of welfare per year, and they can accumulate over time. Then-- work or off to the chain gangs you go to clean up streets or whatever.

[Europa!]

@ Nymphadora. Assuming your domestic partner is a person of the opposite gender, he would do you a world of good by putting a ring on your finger and making an honest woman out of you.

If your marrried the kids would have a real mother and father and not suffer the stigma of having their parents just "shacking up" as opposed to being wed.

Heck even if the two of you are lesbians, you can marry now. Its the law of the land. Get on it and get married!

[brewer]

He's just a young buck that thinks welfare is personally bleeding him dry. Anyone not like him is against him. 

Ah, to be young and dumb. Tell us again how you don't hate.

[Amarok]

1. No that is not the way it is in Canada that's bullshit .

2. That is a straight up evil method of dealing with poverty . And it never work as all you would do is undercut people who already do those jobs .

[Joods]

Don't get mad guys, it's funny

But it isn't though. Not to people like me. I find that an insult. We get SNAP benefits to the tune of a whopping $194 a month. That's got to feed five fucking people. 

And before the newly minted resident asswipe comes in and assumes I buy junk food with that money - think again. We get enough meat and produce to last three weeks. I buy flour in 25 pound sacks. We don't get processed foods except for bread, peanut butter (for the kids) and other necessities. I do what I can with what I have to work with. Rob works 45 hours a week and has to pay child support for children that we have the exact amount of time that his ex has them. She shouldn't be getting any child support at all since she's got a damn job. We have one car because we can't afford two cars. He gets a ride to and from work most days and he donates plasma a few times a month to help carry us through. 

People who think this is funny obviously don't have a clue as to what it's like to struggle. Christmas is coming up along with three birthdays all before that and I am trying to figure out how I'm not going to disappoint my kids this year. 

Many times we struggle with putting dinner on the table so no. None of this is funny to me.