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Ken Burns & Lynn Novick's Documentary of the Viet Nam War
#41
RE: Ken Burns & Lynn Novick's Documentary of the Viet Nam War
Fuck.

My Lai.

I had forgotten that they tried to cover it up.


And Kent State.  Which they couldn't cover up.
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#42
RE: Ken Burns & Lynn Novick's Documentary of the Viet Nam War
(September 26, 2017 at 11:17 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Fuck.

My Lai.

I had forgotten that they tried to cover it up.


And Kent State.  Which they couldn't cover up.

I haven't seen any of the episodes. Did they happen to mention then-Major Colin Powell's part in the whitewash of My Lai?
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#43
RE: Ken Burns & Lynn Novick's Documentary of the Viet Nam War
No.

They did show one longish interview with a soldier who stated he was "just following orders."

Ironic considering how just 20 years earlier we hung German and Japanese soldiers who used the same defense.
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#44
RE: Ken Burns & Lynn Novick's Documentary of the Viet Nam War
Vae victis.  Wink
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#45
RE: Ken Burns & Lynn Novick's Documentary of the Viet Nam War
Exactly.

No winner ever committed a war crime.
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#46
RE: Ken Burns & Lynn Novick's Documentary of the Viet Nam War
Fucking Nixon.  And Kissenger.  Two scumbags.
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#47
RE: Ken Burns & Lynn Novick's Documentary of the Viet Nam War
Funny story 

Pierre Trudeau once threatened Kissenger with a salad fork 


He once pwned Nixion on Canadian- American Trade .

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2008/..._chat.html

Favorite part 

Quote:Trudeau's feelings for Nixon were apparently equally salty. When the prime minister later learned that Nixon had called him an "asshole" after the meeting, he quipped: "I've been called worse things by better people."
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#48
RE: Ken Burns & Lynn Novick's Documentary of the Viet Nam War
Last night reminded me of this old Doonesbury strip:

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#49
RE: Ken Burns & Lynn Novick's Documentary of the Viet Nam War
That was a stunning series.  The depth of the deception was remarkable.  58,000 dead, hundreds of thousands physically wounded, who knows how many mentally wounded and in the end Gerald Ford, knowing he had no chance of winning the 1976 election after pardoning Nixon said "fuck it." 

And now we are doing the same shit in Afghanistan.

We NEVER learn.  We deserve whatever we get.
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#50
RE: Ken Burns & Lynn Novick's Documentary of the Viet Nam War
(September 29, 2017 at 12:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That was a stunning series.  The depth of the deception was remarkable.  58,000 dead, hundreds of thousands physically wounded, who knows how many mentally wounded and in the end Gerald Ford, knowing he had no chance of winning the 1976 election after pardoning Nixon said "fuck it." 

For all that, the '76 election was hardly a blow-out win for the Democrats. In fact, if you look at the map and how it played out in terms of electoral votes, the results are downright weird, given today's conventional wisdom about which states reliably break Republican or Democrat.
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