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RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
September 28, 2017 at 1:44 pm
(September 28, 2017 at 2:33 am)KiwiNFLFan Wrote: Hi, I am a former Catholic who has by and large rejected the Catholic religion. However, one thing keeps niggling away at me: miracles.
I have never experienced anything supernatural myself, but I have heard stories of various miracles happening in both the Catholic and Orthodox churches. One particular kind of miracle that I have no answer for is Eucharistic miracles - the communion bread starting to bleed, or in rarer cases, the bread and wine actually transforming into physical flesh and blood. One such miracle supposedly happened at Lanciano, Italy, in the 7th century. A priest had doubts about the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and supposedly the bread turned into flesh and the wine turned into blood which coagulated. Scientists have tested the flesh and blood, which remain to this day, and have found it to be real blood and heart tissue. All the Eucharistic miracles that have been tested have been of blood type AB.
How would you answer these phenomena?
Two words that will help you in your post-religious life:
Prove it.
Stories of miracles are just that. Stories. Until they can be proven, why should they be considered true? Because some guy in a robe carrying a book tells you you must believe?
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RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
September 28, 2017 at 2:15 pm
Quote:I have never experienced anything supernatural myself,
Neither has anyone else.
Welcome aboard, though.
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RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
September 28, 2017 at 4:41 pm
(September 28, 2017 at 2:33 am)KiwiNFLFan Wrote: Hi, I am a former Catholic who has by and large rejected the Catholic religion. However, one thing keeps niggling away at me: miracles.
I have never experienced anything supernatural myself, but I have heard stories of various miracles happening in both the Catholic and Orthodox churches. One particular kind of miracle that I have no answer for is Eucharistic miracles - the communion bread starting to bleed, or in rarer cases, the bread and wine actually transforming into physical flesh and blood. One such miracle supposedly happened at Lanciano, Italy, in the 7th century. A priest had doubts about the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and supposedly the bread turned into flesh and the wine turned into blood which coagulated. Scientists have tested the flesh and blood, which remain to this day, and have found it to be real blood and heart tissue. All the Eucharistic miracles that have been tested have been of blood type AB.
How would you answer these phenomena?
The same miracle happens everyday, it's the miracle of salvation. You nor I need those kind of things you referred to, know why, a miracle by definition is unexplainable. Relying on what the Bible and God teaches us is more important than miracles. Jesus told the Jews and their priest that they wouldn't believe in Him even though they saw the miracles preformed before their eyes. Jesus is the miracle man needs, try a protestant denomination for awhile and see if you can find what you're looking for within yourself.
Welcome and hope you do not give up, God's willing if you are.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
September 28, 2017 at 4:48 pm
Just so you know, lad. G-C is one of those baptist shitballs who doesn't even think catholicks are xtians.
And he's dumb enough to believe anything he finds written in his Big Book of Bullshit.
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RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
September 28, 2017 at 5:51 pm
(September 28, 2017 at 4:41 pm)Godscreated Wrote: ... The same miracle happens everyday, it's the miracle of salvation...
GC
Er, just a cotton pickin minute there. Aren't you the one who constantly reminds us that salvation is a gift freely given? But now, apparently, it requires a miracle? Please synchronise your dogmas.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
September 28, 2017 at 6:26 pm
Quote:it's the miracle of salvation...
And produce evidence for your asinine claim.
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RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
September 28, 2017 at 6:35 pm
(September 28, 2017 at 2:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:I have never experienced anything supernatural myself,
Neither has anyone else.
Welcome aboard, though.
Do self induced hallucinations count? I've seen some pretty freaky deaky,....
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RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
September 28, 2017 at 6:35 pm
I wouldn't worry about alleged miracles where later 'scientists' were asked to verify that what had been substituted during the hoax actually was flesh and blood. Of course it was, that's why the charlatans subbed it in for the crackers. Wouldn't be a very good hoax for christ otherwise.
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RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
September 28, 2017 at 6:57 pm
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(September 28, 2017 at 4:41 pm)Godscreated Wrote: a miracle by definition is unexplainable.
"To the rational mind, nothing is inexplicable; only unexplained". Yet you think you have the explanation.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
September 28, 2017 at 7:31 pm
The first time I saw bare boobs I was instantly converted into a prev. If that's a miracle then thank............
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