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Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
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RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
(September 28, 2017 at 5:51 pm)Succubus Wrote:
(September 28, 2017 at 4:41 pm)Godscreated Wrote: ... The same miracle happens everyday, it's the miracle of salvation...

GC

Er, just a cotton pickin minute there. Aren't you the one who constantly reminds us that salvation is a gift freely given? But now, apparently, it requires a miracle? Please synchronise your dogmas.

 It is a miracle, you want to explain how it's done be my guest.

GC

(September 28, 2017 at 6:57 pm)Cyberman Wrote:
(September 28, 2017 at 4:41 pm)Godscreated Wrote: a miracle by definition is unexplainable.

"To the rational mind, nothing is inexplicable; only unexplained". Yet you think you have the explanation.

 Then smart guy tell me how Jesus was able to raise a man who had been dead for days back to life.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#22
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
Tell me how you know that happened.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#23
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
(September 30, 2017 at 12:46 am)Cyberman Wrote: Tell me how you know that happened.

 Simple I know God and He wouldn't lie to me. He hasn't told me how He did it, so why don't you?

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#24
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
(September 29, 2017 at 11:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote:
(September 28, 2017 at 5:51 pm)Succubus Wrote: Er, just a cotton pickin minute there. Aren't you the one who constantly reminds us that salvation is a gift freely given? But now, apparently, it requires a miracle? Please synchronise your dogmas.

 It is a miracle, you want to explain how it's done be my guest.

GC

(September 28, 2017 at 6:57 pm)Cyberman Wrote: "To the rational mind, nothing is inexplicable; only unexplained". Yet you think you have the explanation.

 Then smart guy tell me how Jesus was able to raise a man who had been dead for days back to life.

GC



He didn't.  Just shit made up to impress assholes.

Obviously in your case it worked.
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#25
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
Quote: Then smart guy tell me how Jesus was able to raise a man who had been dead for days back to life.
Simple he didn't
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#26
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
that's a good question. I come from a Christian background myself, and I am currently agnostic, but I don't believe in miracles. People lie all the time, and I doubt that a claim from the 7th century could be verified. Even if blood or flesh was found, you would need to demonstrate that it belonged to Jesus. I do not know how anyone could possibly do it. People make all sorts of claims for a multitude of reasons, and they need to be taken by a grain of salt. Another thing to take into account is the fact that other religions claim to see "miracles" too, so it cannot only be a Christian idea. One question you may want to ask yourself is: does it make sense that miracles exist? Sure people claim that they were healed from a terminal disease due to a "miracle". My question is, how do they know that? In reality, we don't know why they managed to overcome a terminal illness, and that's it. It could be that doctors made a mistake and the problem wasn't as terminal as they thought. There could be other things that took place that we are not aware of. Anytime something isn't quite answerable, the answer should be: we don't know what the cause was. It would be a mistake to say it was a miracle. Think about all the kids in the world who get raped and die from diseases at early ages. They pray, and so do their parents with no results. Yet some religious person living in North America, for example, will claim that their prayer got answered? "Thank God I survived that car crash, I had a divine intervention", and then multiple kids die of a famine halfway around the world- quite arrogant of these "miracle" advocates if you ask me.
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RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
(September 29, 2017 at 11:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote: [quote pid='1627441' dateline='1506635468']


(September 28, 2017 at 6:57 pm)Cyberman Wrote: "To the rational mind, nothing is inexplicable; only unexplained". Yet you think you have the explanation.

 Then smart guy tell me how Jesus was able to raise a man who had been dead for days back to life.

GC
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The same way Harry Potter can fly his broomstick, its called imagination.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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#28
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
(September 30, 2017 at 1:03 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(September 30, 2017 at 12:46 am)Cyberman Wrote: Tell me how you know that happened.

 Simple I know God and He wouldn't lie to me. He hasn't told me how He did it, so why don't you?

GC

Perhaps I was unclear. I meant what makes you think that it happened at all? How did "God" tell you that it happened?

See, what I'm saying is that maybe "God" wouldn't lie to you, but I'm not talking to "God", am I? I'm talking to you. I'm not saying that you are lying, merely that you're expecting me to comment on a third-hand account of an alleged event based purely on your word.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#29
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
C'mon Stim. Now you're just being cruel... Don't you know it's rude to blatantly expose the insanity on a public forum...
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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#30
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
(September 28, 2017 at 2:33 am)KiwiNFLFan Wrote: Hi, I am a former Catholic who has by and large rejected the Catholic religion. However, one thing keeps niggling away at me: miracles.

I have never experienced anything supernatural myself, but I have heard stories of various miracles happening in both the Catholic and Orthodox churches. One particular kind of miracle that I have no answer for is Eucharistic miracles - the communion bread starting to bleed, or in rarer cases, the bread and wine actually transforming into physical flesh and blood. One such miracle supposedly happened at Lanciano, Italy, in the 7th century. A priest had doubts about the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and supposedly the bread turned into flesh and the wine turned into blood which coagulated. Scientists have tested the flesh and blood, which remain to this day, and have found it to be real blood and heart tissue. All the Eucharistic miracles that have been tested have been of blood type AB.

How would you answer these phenomena?

There has been rather limited testing on this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Lanciano

In particular, no DNA testing.  If the miracle is authentic, why no DNA testing?
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