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How did Christianity become so popular
#21
RE: How did Christianity become so popular
(October 8, 2017 at 4:29 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote: How did Christianity become the biggest religion in the first place?

Before you buy the line of Christianity depends on children being brainwashed before they can think critically to sustain itself...

Quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_...Conversion
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#22
RE: How did Christianity become so popular
(October 9, 2017 at 3:15 pm)SteveII Wrote:
(October 9, 2017 at 3:05 pm)Brian37 Wrote: It isn't the biggest, who told you that? Islam is. But when you take into account all 7 billion humans, Christians and Muslims and Jews don't add up together to be the majority. "Other" when you include Buddhists and Hindus and Sikhs and all other small religions they constitute the bulk of our world population.

The better way of asking the question would be.

"How did Christianity become popular".

Well, history explains this. You had Rome spending money left and right, bankrupting the country left and right, and then someone like Nero has a disaster under his rule, and looks for a scapegoat. Well, nobody likes a bully. The combo of bad economics and the old underdog story lead Constantine later to adapt the growing religion as his own. 

I think Nero specifically targeting Christians for the fire that burned down Rome had alot to do with their rise in popularity. 

Politics, is why, marketing is why. Those things together can make any good idea or bad idea become popular.

Everything about that post is wrong. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re...opulations
OR
http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/globa...cape-exec/
OR
any other of the top 10 hits if you type in "World Religion Populations" -- a trivially easy thing to do.

Ok, get your God on the Maury Povitch show and get him to pony up with his god goo to prove he is the father of the baby.

Otherwise, I could give a shit less what you think is "true". All you have is a history of myth being handed down.

You, "That is not true"

So talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking bushes, women magically popping out of a man's rib, immoral stories of murdering off the Egyptian first born, the genocide of the flood, babies having magic super powers whom grow up to magically survive rigor mortis.

And I am the crazy one? Thank's for the lecture.

If popularity were evidence of fact the earth really would be flat. It isn't so regardless of your claims that Christianity is the most popular I could give a shit less. Humans once owned slaves too and that was popular too.
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#23
RE: How did Christianity become so popular
(October 9, 2017 at 4:20 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(October 9, 2017 at 3:15 pm)SteveII Wrote: Everything about that post is wrong. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re...opulations
OR
http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/globa...cape-exec/
OR
any other of the top 10 hits if you type in "World Religion Populations" -- a trivially easy thing to do.

Ok, get your God on the Maury Povitch show and get him to pony up with his god goo to prove he is the father of the baby.

Otherwise, I could give a shit less what you think is "true". All you have is a history of myth being handed down.

You, "That is not true"

So talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking bushes, women magically popping out of a man's rib, immoral stories of murdering off the Egyptian first born, the genocide of the flood, babies having magic super powers whom grow up to magically survive rigor mortis.

And I am the crazy one? Thank's for the lecture.

If popularity were evidence of fact the earth really would be flat. It isn't so regardless of your claims that Christianity is the most popular I could give a shit less. Humans once owned slaves too and that was popular too.

LOL, so your argument is that you can make stuff up because you don't believe in any of it. Intellectual honesty at it's best!! I wasn't really interested in discussing anything with you, I just didn't want your nonsense to go unchallenged--especially when the question comes from a very naive young person who might mistakenly believe the stupid things you post.
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#24
RE: How did Christianity become so popular
This is a question that requires answers in the order of epic, and some definite answer may not be available yet. But we may think of several factors that helped in the process. First of all, Christianity was not bound to any ethnicity; it was for everyone. Although in the beginning there may have been internal conflicts within Christianity as a minority, in the question of whether non-Jews should be allowed to join, there seems to have been no way preventing Paul from quickly trying to spread the faith far beyond the boundaries of Judea among non-Jews. Moreover, Christianity had a special message aimed at just the poor and the weak; One might argue that Christianity had an early focus on them, and Celsus, an intellectual pagan, criticized the Christians for directing their mission to the poor, the unlettered, and even women. 

Moreover, at the time of the birth of Christianity there were many Roman citizens who were interested in Judaism but for different reasons would not want to convert. This probably because of Judaism in some respects collided with classical Roman values, such as the requirement of circumcision for all men, which for the Roman citizen who was easily fixed by masculinity, circumcision to them looked like a kind of de-masculinization; pork that Judaism forbade was also something that was easily seen as strange. When Christianity came, these problems were solved because Christianity had no ban on either pork, demands for circumcision or the vast amount of other living rules that Jews demanded from their followers. And since most Romans could not distinguish between Christianity and Judaism (it is quite uncertain how much Christians themselves identified as followers of a completely separate religion from Judaism so early in history), it became easier to convert to Christianity. And since God-fearing people were also represented among the more influential and wealthy Romans, Christianity also received early powerful people, even though the vast majority were probably poor.

Christians also had focused on spreading the faith. Judaism also existed at some point in time, but when Christianity began, Judaism began to become more elitist and perhaps more ethnic, and missionary activity slowly to died completely. 

It seems that the really powerful acceleration in the spread of Christianity came about when Constantine converted and made Christianity into a state religion. If the Emperor had converted to any religion, but let's say for the sake of argument say Hinduism, then even the Roman citizens would have done so. So, Christianity came into the open; large building projects where Christian churches could now be seen entirely in public, characterized by Christian symbols, art and with full support from the senselessly rich Emperor family. 

Nevertheless, because Christianity spread really fast is not something we should be amazed, even Islam was spread really fast especially among the poor and the unlettered. Even though many dislikes and hate Islam (including me), we can still not avoid how quick it really spread, from the Hijaz to all over the world. China, Indonesia and so on. And... we also need to take something else into consideration, in ancient times they'd no knowledge about the world, no science, people used to ascribe thunder, earthquakes and other natural disasters to God, i.e., Goddidit. However today we have knowledge about how the world came into existence, the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution etc. Today, in this era and time, people are abandoning religion and becoming atheists. So, religion today, whethet it is Christianity or Islam is shrinking. 

Regards. 
Alisa

Love is about love
NOT GENDER 
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#25
RE: How did Christianity become so popular
This is a question that requires answers in the order of epic, and some definite answer may not be available yet. But we may think of several factors that helped in the process. First of all, Christianity was not bound to any ethnicity; it was for everyone. Although in the beginning there may have been internal conflicts within Christianity as a minority, in the question of whether non-Jews should be allowed to join, there seems to have been no way preventing Paul from quickly trying to spread the faith far beyond the boundaries of Judea among non-Jews. Moreover, Christianity had a special message aimed at just the poor and the weak; One might argue that Christianity had an early focus on them, and Celsus, an intellectual pagan, criticized the Christians for directing their mission to the poor, the unlettered, and even women. 

Moreover, at the time of the birth of Christianity there were many Roman citizens who were interested in Judaism but for different reasons would not want to convert. This probably because of Judaism in some respects collided with classical Roman values, such as the requirement of circumcision for all men, which for the Roman citizen who was easily fixed by masculinity, circumcision to them looked like a kind of de-masculinization; pork that Judaism forbade was also something that was easily seen as strange. When Christianity came, these problems were solved because Christianity had no ban on either pork, demands for circumcision or the vast amount of other living rules that Jews demanded from their followers. And since most Romans could not distinguish between Christianity and Judaism (it is quite uncertain how much Christians themselves identified as followers of a completely separate religion from Judaism so early in history), it became easier to convert to Christianity. And since God-fearing people were also represented among the more influential and wealthy Romans, Christianity also received early powerful people, even though the vast majority were probably poor.

Christians also had focused on spreading the faith. Judaism also existed at some point in time, but when Christianity began, Judaism began to become more elitist and perhaps more ethnic, and missionary activity slowly to died completely. 

It seems that the really powerful acceleration in the spread of Christianity came about when Constantine converted and made Christianity into a state religion. If the Emperor had converted to any religion, but let's say for the sake of argument say Hinduism, then even the Roman citizens would have done so. So, Christianity came into the open; large building projects where Christian churches could now be seen entirely in public, characterized by Christian symbols, art and with full support from the senselessly rich Emperor family. 

Nevertheless, because Christianity spread really fast is not something we should be amazed, even Islam was spread really fast especially among the poor and the unlettered. Even though many dislikes and hate Islam (including me), we can still not avoid how quick it really spread, from the Hijaz to all over the world. China, Indonesia and so on. And... we also need to take something else into consideration, in ancient times they'd no knowledge about the world, no science, people used to ascribe thunder, earthquakes and other natural disasters to God, i.e., Goddidit. However today we have knowledge about how the world came into existence, the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution etc. Today, in this era and time, people are abandoning religion and becoming atheists. So, religion today, whether it is Christianity or Islam is shrinking. 

Christians also had enforced their religion on many innocent people. But due to it got declawed by secularism, it today remains a moderate religion. Albeit it's still homophobic. 

Regards. 
Alisa

Love is about love
NOT GENDER 
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#26
RE: How did Christianity become so popular
(October 9, 2017 at 5:24 pm)Alisa Wrote: This is a question that requires answers in the order of epic, and some definite answer may not be available yet. But we may think of several factors that helped in the process. First of all, Christianity was not bound to any ethnicity; it was for everyone. Although in the beginning there may have been internal conflicts within Christianity as a minority, in the question of whether non-Jews should be allowed to join, there seems to have been no way preventing Paul from quickly trying to spread the faith far beyond the boundaries of Judea among non-Jews. Moreover, Christianity had a special message aimed at just the poor and the weak; One might argue that Christianity had an early focus on them, and Celsus, an intellectual pagan, criticized the Christians for directing their mission to the poor, the unlettered, and even women. 

Moreover, at the time of the birth of Christianity there were many Roman citizens who were interested in Judaism but for different reasons would not want to convert. This probably because of Judaism in some respects collided with classical Roman values, such as the requirement of circumcision for all men, which for the Roman citizen who was easily fixed by masculinity, circumcision to them looked like a kind of de-masculinization; pork that Judaism forbade was also something that was easily seen as strange. When Christianity came, these problems were solved because Christianity had no ban on either pork, demands for circumcision or the vast amount of other living rules that Jews demanded from their followers. And since most Romans could not distinguish between Christianity and Judaism (it is quite uncertain how much Christians themselves identified as followers of a completely separate religion from Judaism so early in history), it became easier to convert to Christianity. And since God-fearing people were also represented among the more influential and wealthy Romans, Christianity also received early powerful people, even though the vast majority were probably poor.

Christians also had focused on spreading the faith. Judaism also existed at some point in time, but when Christianity began, Judaism began to become more elitist and perhaps more ethnic, and missionary activity slowly to died completely. 

It seems that the really powerful acceleration in the spread of Christianity came about when Constantine converted and made Christianity into a state religion. If the Emperor had converted to any religion, but let's say for the sake of argument say Hinduism, then even the Roman citizens would have done so. So, Christianity came into the open; large building projects where Christian churches could now be seen entirely in public, characterized by Christian symbols, art and with full support from the senselessly rich Emperor family. 

Nevertheless, because Christianity spread really fast is not something we should be amazed, even Islam was spread really fast especially among the poor and the unlettered. Even though many dislikes and hate Islam (including me), we can still not avoid how quick it really spread, from the Hijaz to all over the world. China, Indonesia and so on. And... we also need to take something else into consideration, in ancient times they'd no knowledge about the world, no science, people used to ascribe thunder, earthquakes and other natural disasters to God, i.e., Goddidit. However today we have knowledge about how the world came into existence, the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution etc. Today, in this era and time, people are abandoning religion and becoming atheists. So, religion today, whethet it is Christianity or Islam is shrinking. 

Regards. 
Alisa

Neither Christianity nor Islam is shrinking nor projected to shrink. In fact, atheism is projected to shrink (as a % of world population). 

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/relig...2010-2050/
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#27
RE: How did Christianity become so popular
(October 9, 2017 at 10:28 pm)SteveII Wrote:
(October 9, 2017 at 5:24 pm)Alisa Wrote: This is a question that requires answers in the order of epic, and some definite answer may not be available yet. But we may think of several factors that helped in the process. First of all, Christianity was not bound to any ethnicity; it was for everyone. Although in the beginning there may have been internal conflicts within Christianity as a minority, in the question of whether non-Jews should be allowed to join, there seems to have been no way preventing Paul from quickly trying to spread the faith far beyond the boundaries of Judea among non-Jews. Moreover, Christianity had a special message aimed at just the poor and the weak; One might argue that Christianity had an early focus on them, and Celsus, an intellectual pagan, criticized the Christians for directing their mission to the poor, the unlettered, and even women. 

Moreover, at the time of the birth of Christianity there were many Roman citizens who were interested in Judaism but for different reasons would not want to convert. This probably because of Judaism in some respects collided with classical Roman values, such as the requirement of circumcision for all men, which for the Roman citizen who was easily fixed by masculinity, circumcision to them looked like a kind of de-masculinization; pork that Judaism forbade was also something that was easily seen as strange. When Christianity came, these problems were solved because Christianity had no ban on either pork, demands for circumcision or the vast amount of other living rules that Jews demanded from their followers. And since most Romans could not distinguish between Christianity and Judaism (it is quite uncertain how much Christians themselves identified as followers of a completely separate religion from Judaism so early in history), it became easier to convert to Christianity. And since God-fearing people were also represented among the more influential and wealthy Romans, Christianity also received early powerful people, even though the vast majority were probably poor.

Christians also had focused on spreading the faith. Judaism also existed at some point in time, but when Christianity began, Judaism began to become more elitist and perhaps more ethnic, and missionary activity slowly to died completely. 

It seems that the really powerful acceleration in the spread of Christianity came about when Constantine converted and made Christianity into a state religion. If the Emperor had converted to any religion, but let's say for the sake of argument say Hinduism, then even the Roman citizens would have done so. So, Christianity came into the open; large building projects where Christian churches could now be seen entirely in public, characterized by Christian symbols, art and with full support from the senselessly rich Emperor family. 

Nevertheless, because Christianity spread really fast is not something we should be amazed, even Islam was spread really fast especially among the poor and the unlettered. Even though many dislikes and hate Islam (including me), we can still not avoid how quick it really spread, from the Hijaz to all over the world. China, Indonesia and so on. And... we also need to take something else into consideration, in ancient times they'd no knowledge about the world, no science, people used to ascribe thunder, earthquakes and other natural disasters to God, i.e., Goddidit. However today we have knowledge about how the world came into existence, the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution etc. Today, in this era and time, people are abandoning religion and becoming atheists. So, religion today, whethet it is Christianity or Islam is shrinking. 

Regards. 
Alisa

Neither Christianity nor Islam is shrinking nor projected to shrink. In fact, atheism is projected to shrink (as a % of world population). 

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/relig...2010-2050/

Many Christians are baptized by the church so they are technically Christian but many do not feel like Christians and never go to church. There are Christians that do not truly adhere to the faith. Furthermore, many Muslims are leaving Islam but afraid to renounce it publicly due to fear of being put to death. Atheism is growing in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and so on, although a number cannot be estimated.

Quote:We are reminded that the hurry in this matter has severe consequences in this world and the hereafter. The first is that whosoever is sentenced for apostasy  / renouncing Islam must be killed by the Muslim ruler.

Secondly: His marriage is revoked and his wife becomes forbidden for him.

Thirdly: His worship and good deeds become worthless.

The Messenger (s.a.w.) said: “Whoever changes his religion, then kill him” — Reported in Bukhari (Silsilah al-‘imaan wa al-kufr 25/2 — Muhammad Ahmad Isma’il al-Muqaddam)

Love is about love
NOT GENDER 
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#28
RE: How did Christianity become so popular
(October 9, 2017 at 4:49 pm)SteveII Wrote:
(October 9, 2017 at 4:20 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Ok, get your God on the Maury Povitch show and get him to pony up with his god goo to prove he is the father of the baby.

Otherwise, I could give a shit less what you think is "true". All you have is a history of myth being handed down.

You, "That is not true"

So talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking bushes, women magically popping out of a man's rib, immoral stories of murdering off the Egyptian first born, the genocide of the flood, babies having magic super powers whom grow up to magically survive rigor mortis.

And I am the crazy one? Thank's for the lecture.

If popularity were evidence of fact the earth really would be flat. It isn't so regardless of your claims that Christianity is the most popular I could give a shit less. Humans once owned slaves too and that was popular too.

LOL, so your argument is that you can make stuff up because you don't believe in any of it. Intellectual honesty at it's best!! I wasn't really interested in discussing anything with you, I just didn't want your nonsense to go unchallenged--especially when the question comes from a very naive young person who might mistakenly believe the stupid things you post.

Said the one who tries to peddle an old book of mythology.

Men don't magically pop out of dirt, women don't magically pop out of a man's rib. Donkey's don't talk, neither do snakes or bushes. The sun and moon are separate sources of light. No such thing as a magic baby with super powers born without a second set of DNA, and human beings do not survive rigor mortis.

Oh and yea you book is moral too because murdering male children over  a beef you have with an adult Egyptian King is good. Oh and so is the fictional genocide of the flood that never happened. And who exactly did the limited Gene pool of the Noah family fuck, if not each other?

The only reason that book became popular, isn't because a invisible sky wizard exists. It became popular because of marketing, just like Harry Potter and Star Wars. Rome simply ditched the old polytheism in favor of new fiction, and no, it did not happen overnight, but lots of why any society changes and adapts new things can be a result of long term economic changes.

I am sorry reality isn't sexy enough for you, but not my baggage you fell for a book of old bullshit stories. Not our fault the writers of that book of myth didn't have a damned clue of what they were peddling, and also not my fault the powers at the time fell for it and sold it. The bible is a book of mythology, sorry that bothers you, but that is all it is.

(October 9, 2017 at 10:28 pm)SteveII Wrote:
(October 9, 2017 at 5:24 pm)Alisa Wrote: This is a question that requires answers in the order of epic, and some definite answer may not be available yet. But we may think of several factors that helped in the process. First of all, Christianity was not bound to any ethnicity; it was for everyone. Although in the beginning there may have been internal conflicts within Christianity as a minority, in the question of whether non-Jews should be allowed to join, there seems to have been no way preventing Paul from quickly trying to spread the faith far beyond the boundaries of Judea among non-Jews. Moreover, Christianity had a special message aimed at just the poor and the weak; One might argue that Christianity had an early focus on them, and Celsus, an intellectual pagan, criticized the Christians for directing their mission to the poor, the unlettered, and even women. 

Moreover, at the time of the birth of Christianity there were many Roman citizens who were interested in Judaism but for different reasons would not want to convert. This probably because of Judaism in some respects collided with classical Roman values, such as the requirement of circumcision for all men, which for the Roman citizen who was easily fixed by masculinity, circumcision to them looked like a kind of de-masculinization; pork that Judaism forbade was also something that was easily seen as strange. When Christianity came, these problems were solved because Christianity had no ban on either pork, demands for circumcision or the vast amount of other living rules that Jews demanded from their followers. And since most Romans could not distinguish between Christianity and Judaism (it is quite uncertain how much Christians themselves identified as followers of a completely separate religion from Judaism so early in history), it became easier to convert to Christianity. And since God-fearing people were also represented among the more influential and wealthy Romans, Christianity also received early powerful people, even though the vast majority were probably poor.

Christians also had focused on spreading the faith. Judaism also existed at some point in time, but when Christianity began, Judaism began to become more elitist and perhaps more ethnic, and missionary activity slowly to died completely. 

It seems that the really powerful acceleration in the spread of Christianity came about when Constantine converted and made Christianity into a state religion. If the Emperor had converted to any religion, but let's say for the sake of argument say Hinduism, then even the Roman citizens would have done so. So, Christianity came into the open; large building projects where Christian churches could now be seen entirely in public, characterized by Christian symbols, art and with full support from the senselessly rich Emperor family. 

Nevertheless, because Christianity spread really fast is not something we should be amazed, even Islam was spread really fast especially among the poor and the unlettered. Even though many dislikes and hate Islam (including me), we can still not avoid how quick it really spread, from the Hijaz to all over the world. China, Indonesia and so on. And... we also need to take something else into consideration, in ancient times they'd no knowledge about the world, no science, people used to ascribe thunder, earthquakes and other natural disasters to God, i.e., Goddidit. However today we have knowledge about how the world came into existence, the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution etc. Today, in this era and time, people are abandoning religion and becoming atheists. So, religion today, whethet it is Christianity or Islam is shrinking. 

Regards. 
Alisa

Neither Christianity nor Islam is shrinking nor projected to shrink. In fact, atheism is projected to shrink (as a % of world population). 

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/relig...2010-2050/

If someone told you to jump off a skyscraper without something to break your fall, would you  do it because it was "popular".

I could give a shit less dude. That was then this is now, and I could care less what holy writing we are talking about. Nobody in antiquity worldwide, in polytheism or monotheism had any clue as to the nature of reality like we do now. Put you mental comic book away and grow up.

We have science that allows us to split atoms, and detect gravitational waves of black holes. Your old comic book cannot hold a candle to our modern understanding of nature and the universe.

Your comic book might as well start with, "Once upon a time".
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#29
RE: How did Christianity become so popular
(October 10, 2017 at 6:54 am)Alisa Wrote:
(October 9, 2017 at 10:28 pm)SteveII Wrote: Neither Christianity nor Islam is shrinking nor projected to shrink. In fact, atheism is projected to shrink (as a % of world population). 

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/relig...2010-2050/

Many Christians are baptized by the church so they are technically Christian but many do not feel like Christians and never go to church. There are Christians that do not truly adhere to the faith. Furthermore, many Muslims are leaving Islam but afraid to renounce it publicly due to fear of being put to death. Atheism is growing in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and so on, although a number cannot be estimated.

Quote:We are reminded that the hurry in this matter has severe consequences in this world and the hereafter. The first is that whosoever is sentenced for apostasy  / renouncing Islam must be killed by the Muslim ruler.

Secondly: His marriage is revoked and his wife becomes forbidden for him.

Thirdly: His worship and good deeds become worthless.

The Messenger (s.a.w.) said: “Whoever changes his religion, then kill him” — Reported in Bukhari (Silsilah al-‘imaan wa al-kufr 25/2 — Muhammad Ahmad Isma’il al-Muqaddam)

Perhaps, but that is taken into account in the projections. In addition, nothing you pointed out means that all these nominal Christians or Muslims don't believe in God. They can believe in God and not participate or like organized religion. 

The Christian church continues to grow freely. I posted this in another thread recently. 

Quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_...Conversion
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#30
RE: How did Christianity become so popular
(October 8, 2017 at 4:29 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote: How did Christianity become the biggest religion in the first place?

Rome adopted it, end of.

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