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RE: A Thought Experiment for Believers and Atheists Alike
October 9, 2017 at 8:03 pm
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(October 9, 2017 at 2:17 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Probably the same as what already has happened. First, the revival of some type of animism or polytheism in response to the 'sensus divinitatis'.
Wait! When did I miss the demonstration that such a thing as 'sensus divinitatis' is a real thing?
How can I tell the difference between my natural occurring, pattern seeking and overactive agency detecting brain, misinterpreting some brain state, and sensing actual gods?
Quote:Following that, a philosophical inquiry replicating the natural revelation of ancient Greece resulting a "God of the Philosophers"
Not very likely. The vast majority of modern philosophers are atheists.
Quote:After that, it would take some special revelation in order for there to be knowledge of Divine Truths and a subsequent synthesis of faith and reason.
Which would not happen.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: A Thought Experiment for Believers and Atheists Alike
October 9, 2017 at 8:11 pm
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(October 9, 2017 at 6:42 am)chimp3 Wrote: Scenario:
At Midnight GMT a small miracle occurs. Everywhere , all at once, religion disappears. Every trace of it. Every holy book, every deity, every hymn, every religious symbol. Every memory of religion disappears from the human mind. Some people wake up and wonder why they are wearing funny hats (We will keep the hats for this exercise). The rest of human memory, culture, cuisine, art, song, industry, technology, science, medicine remains as is.
What do you think will happen?
(October 9, 2017 at 1:14 pm)Succubus Wrote: This thought experiment just can't work unless you are more specific regarding, buildings, for example. If Notre dam Cathedral disappears people will be wondering 'what's that opens pace', it wasn’t there yesterday. If the thing still dominates the Paris skyline then there will be a chorus of 'what the fuck's that? There's far to many paradoxes for this to work.
Quote:The architecture of cathedrals would remain but all links to deities would vanish. Statues, paintings, gone.
Ok, so now I'm scrolling through my music library and I double click 'Handel's Messiah'. Now what happens?
(October 9, 2017 at 4:24 pm)ignoramus Wrote: No, I don't believe religion would return.
It's all about indoctrination. Without it, it cannot work.
It's just a psychological tool. Once we break that cycle, everybody wakes up and we all get on with our lives... No fear, no carrots, no mental gymnastics, no nothing.
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Bollocks! All it takes for a new religion is a handful of mugs and one conman.
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RE: A Thought Experiment for Believers and Atheists Alike
October 9, 2017 at 8:30 pm
I think a lot of church-based acquaintances would break down when the Smiths realize that they don't really like the Joneses well enough to hang out with them. On the other side of the coin, there might be family reunions when shunned family members are welcomed home.
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RE: A Thought Experiment for Believers and Atheists Alike
October 9, 2017 at 8:47 pm
Cults may spring up. So what. The law will see them for what they are and treat them accordingly. No tax free bullshit because as chimp says, the law makers have no knowledge of religions, so no special pleading applies.
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RE: A Thought Experiment for Believers and Atheists Alike
October 9, 2017 at 9:02 pm
I'm not sure who said it but it goes something like 'a religion is an old cult, and a cult is a new religion'.
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RE: A Thought Experiment for Believers and Atheists Alike
October 10, 2017 at 6:26 am
(October 9, 2017 at 8:11 pm)Succubus Wrote: Quote:The architecture of cathedrals would remain but all links to deities would vanish. Statues, paintings, gone.
Ok, so now I'm scrolling through my music library and I double click 'Handel's Messiah'. Now what happens? The music is still there but the song title is blank.
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RE: A Thought Experiment for Believers and Atheists Alike
October 10, 2017 at 6:32 am
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Chimp, now you're going all back to the future on us! EG: what if I was looking at a photo I took of a Cathedral with priests in front holding bibles in their hands?
Also, I'm also watching The Exorcist again, what is she going to shove up her ....you know.... and what will the audience hear her say?
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RE: A Thought Experiment for Believers and Atheists Alike
October 10, 2017 at 7:48 am
(October 10, 2017 at 6:32 am)ignoramus Wrote: Chimp, now you're going all back to the future on us! EG: what if I was looking at a photo I took of a Cathedral with priests in front holding bibles in their hands?
Also, I'm also watching The Exorcist again, what is she going to shove up her ....you know.... and what will the audience hear her say?
The Bibles would just be books. The collars would be gone. The building just a building with men in black.
For little Regan we would have to substitute Elvis references.
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RE: A Thought Experiment for Believers and Atheists Alike
October 10, 2017 at 9:44 am
(October 9, 2017 at 6:42 am)chimp3 Wrote: Scenario:
At Midnight GMT a small miracle occurs. Everywhere , all at once, religion disappears. Every trace of it. Every holy book, every deity, every hymn, every religious symbol. Every memory of religion disappears from the human mind. Some people wake up and wonder why they are wearing funny hats (We will keep the hats for this exercise). The rest of human memory, culture, cuisine, art, song, industry, technology, science, medicine remains as is.
What do you think will happen?
I predict dogs and cats will be mating in the streets.
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RE: A Thought Experiment for Believers and Atheists Alike
October 11, 2017 at 3:25 am
New one will appear - if religions are rooted in human misery then what stops frauds in poor countries from inventing new ones? What will stop people with authoritarian tendencies from making another sky daddy and yelling obey? What will stop ignorant from claiming that they have one true answer so they can soothe themselves and clad in garment of certainty?
If conditions that make religions possible will not disappear then religions itself will survive I would say.
The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.
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