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RE: Name one objectively bad person
October 11, 2017 at 4:21 pm
(October 11, 2017 at 2:07 pm)pool the matey Wrote: Before you answer, can you name one objectively good person? You probably cannot. Whether what you do is good or not is highly subjective.
So what about racism... rape, genocide, child molesters? Are they not objectively bad? I think they are.
So what we're getting at is that there are indeed objectively bad people ..could that mean that there could be a standard for objective good as well but we just don't know it yet?...and most of all...could this mean there indeed is an objective morality after all?
Your god doesn't seem to believe that genocide is objectively bad. Even Hitler liked dogs, from what I've seen, so it's hard to say some people are objectively bad, but there are so few things that are objectively one thing or another.
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RE: Name one objectively bad person
October 11, 2017 at 6:51 pm
(October 11, 2017 at 2:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I'll give it a go.
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RE: Name one objectively bad person
October 11, 2017 at 6:53 pm
(This post was last modified: October 11, 2017 at 6:53 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
He'd have to pay his bills for that..and we know he doesn't. 
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RE: Name one objectively bad person
October 11, 2017 at 7:26 pm
(This post was last modified: October 11, 2017 at 7:27 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
Anyone who sadistically rapes, tortures and murders people for pleasure are definitely objectively bad people in the sense I understand "objectively bad".
ETA: Oh and Trump. Obviously. And Hitler was. But this is on a spectrum. There's bad and then there's worse. And here I'm talking about actions and not intentions.
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RE: Name one objectively bad person
October 11, 2017 at 7:38 pm
Nobody's beat our Mr. Holmes, I see.
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RE: Name one objectively bad person
October 11, 2017 at 7:41 pm
You didn't specify it had to be a real person, so I choose the god character of the bible as my objective choice for a bad being.
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RE: Name one objectively bad person
October 11, 2017 at 10:43 pm
(October 11, 2017 at 2:46 pm)Mr.Obvious Wrote: Pool, if we were to say 'rape is subjectively bad', what would it lose in strength?
Whether we deem something bad or good is based on the value we give to it.
And just about everybody deems rape bad, in our cultures. Anyone raped surely deem it bad, in their experience.
What would some underlying core 'truth' beyond human understanding matter if we deem it wrong and judge, condone and punish it out of our viewpoint that it is 'bad'?
If our understanding leads our subjective minds to concider it wrong, the hypothetical standard beyond our understanding that we can't 'know' doesn't matter because we still think its wrong.
Concider it like this: What if there was an objective moral standard and it turned out that according to that objective morality rape would be fine, as creeded by the hypothetical God that embodies that morality and 'perfection'. Would you then start raping? I'd have trouble with that, because I would subjectively still think rape is wrong.
Good point.
This reminds me of another debate of nature vs nurture. There seems to be a lot of similarities with the two. Nature vs nurture as in something that is inane vs something that is learned, objective morality vs subjective morality seems to have a lot in common with it. Personally, I'm a more of a nature person in the nature vs nurture debate, in the sense that we are all born with a certain basic in-built behavior and we build up on it making it many times more complex with the help of nurture.
My thoughts are similar with the objective vs subjective debate. We are all born with a kind of basic moral code but we build up on it and make it more complex with the intervention of other people. Everyone will have at least one person that they consider is objectively bad or objectively good
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RE: Name one objectively bad person
October 12, 2017 at 10:05 pm
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2017 at 10:07 pm by WinterHold.)
The word "objective" is defined to be:
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
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I like chatting. But wasting time around something known and understood since the dawn of language usage; is quite.....meh? sort of thing?
If you have a "feelings" detector , be my guest and stand to judge people until you spot the one not influenced by feelings or opinions.
This is so relative; it's asking about something we'll never know the answer to. Robots can be objective; but the definition speaks about persons?
So until there is a "feeling detector" or a "mind-reading device", I don't think this is even a debate.
But you can say "Somebody was quite objective in that situation".
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RE: Name one objectively bad person
October 12, 2017 at 10:17 pm
Argue anything objectively good about Hitler! Do the math!
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RE: Name one objectively bad person
October 12, 2017 at 10:19 pm
Elvis.
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