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Argument from "better to seek proper vision".
#51
RE: Argument from "better to seek proper vision".
If you're gonna search for some sort of objective morality and rely on guidance from a source that you personally interpret as divine you're gonna have a bad time. Morality is more subjective and is something we form together with the people around us. We as humans work out and agree upon what is moral and what is not based on our evolved and our cultural values. This means that morality is constantly changing and developing and we see this throughout our entire history, that is why ancient morals from old books tend to clash with what is moral today.
Stop trying to find it in some god and find morality with the people around you that you share the world with like we've done for thousands of years.
"History is something that very few people have been doing while everyone else was ploughing fields and carrying water buckets." -Yuval Noah Harari
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#52
RE: Argument from "better to seek proper vision".
(October 24, 2017 at 3:56 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(October 24, 2017 at 6:49 am)ignoramus Wrote: So Atlas, you and MK both love that Allah bloke ...
Why do you not agree with each other in godly matters?

Is the qu'ran not clear enough?
If not, why not?

Me and him believe in total different things.

I believe that the Quran is the only divine book guaranteed to be of heavenly origin. Thus; you can really count on the traits God gave you (like logic and understanding and even language) to interpret the book. The evidence for its authenticity is derived from observing the design around us; from the cosmos to life and..

Aren't you afraid, now that you've given away your special strategy of believing only the Koran has the straight poop - that now MK will make the same claim to one up you.

Not really a valid inference to believe that what you choose to believe about your special book renders the assertions you base on that belief unassailable.(/obviously)
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#53
RE: Argument from "better to seek proper vision".
(October 25, 2017 at 12:18 pm)Whateverist Wrote:
(October 24, 2017 at 3:56 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Me and him believe in total different things.

I believe that the Quran is the only divine book guaranteed to be of heavenly origin. Thus; you can really count on the traits God gave you (like logic and understanding and even language) to interpret the book. The evidence for its authenticity is derived from observing the design around us; from the cosmos to life and..
If I'm playing, or if I'm not serious, I'll be afraid; sure.
But this is not a competition for me; I'm dead serious. By dead serious; I mean serious. If he abandoned the Shiite ways; and embraced whet I believe God revealed; then he's my brother in faith and belief.

But this keeps us separated in faith; and decrease respect to immense levels; also:




It's bigger than me, him, you, members of this forum; my mom; my dad; my family.
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#54
RE: Argument from "better to seek proper vision".
-and no less foolish for being large. If you want to talk about using reason a god gave you..do it. Don't pay lip service to it and then completely forget about it after the words have left your mouth.

That would probably piss off a reason granting god, don't you think? Even worse, pretending that you've used the god granted reason it gave you to attribute authorship of a shitty book to the same reason granting god?

Insult piled atop insult.
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