George Takei (original Star Trek Sulu) Accused of Sexual Assault

[chimp3]

Oh my!

[Amarok]

The accusations against Trump have not gone away PoeWooter . But nice job turning this into a political thread . Proving like the man your defending you have no class. 

As for George any accusation should be taken seriously and thoroughly investigated.As for the idea of innocent until proven guilty that only applies if the US and Canadian did not have a history of clearly guilty people getting off on similar crimes . And a system were judges with regressive and moronic opinions about rape did not exist .

[Minimalist]

Do you mean evidence like this?

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/everyon...ool-girls/

‘Everyone thought it was weird’: Deputy DA who served with Roy Moore says ‘he dated high school girls’

According to a series of tweets from CNN senior national correspondent Alexander Marquardt, a Florida attorney who served as a deputy district attorney alongside Roy Moore has come forward to allege inappropriate behavior from the Republican Senate nominee.
“It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, everyone we knew thought it was weird,” former Deputy DA Theresa Jones reportedly told CNN. “We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall.”
“Late 70’s and 80’s – at that time and atmosphere it was weird he was dating teenagers but you really wouldn’t say anything to someone like that,” Jones continued.
Marquardt was following up on a comment left on the Gadsden Times website story on the allegations against Roy Moore.
“I was a deputy DA in Gadsden with Roy Moore. I have no doubt these stories have validity,” Teresa D. Jones of Sarasota posted. “Roy was known to eschew dating his own age and preferred teenagers.”

He should be a catholick.

[Rev. Rye]

Do you mean evidence like this?

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/everyon...ool-girls/

‘Everyone thought it was weird’: Deputy DA who served with Roy Moore says ‘he dated high school girls’

According to a series of tweets from CNN senior national correspondent Alexander Marquardt, a Florida attorney who served as a deputy district attorney alongside Roy Moore has come forward to allege inappropriate behavior from the Republican Senate nominee.
“It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, everyone we knew thought it was weird,” former Deputy DA Theresa Jones reportedly told CNN. “We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall.”
“Late 70’s and 80’s – at that time and atmosphere it was weird he was dating teenagers but you really wouldn’t say anything to someone like that,” Jones continued.
Marquardt was following up on a comment left on the Gadsden Times website story on the allegations against Roy Moore.
“I was a deputy DA in Gadsden with Roy Moore. I have no doubt these stories have validity,” Teresa D. Jones of Sarasota posted. “Roy was known to eschew dating his own age and preferred teenagers.”

He should be a catholick.

You sure, because Catholic pedos seem to prefer boys to girls, if my research is accurate. And why do we not have a thread devoted to Roy Moore's allegations? For once, we'd have someone who we'd actually relish being taken down in a sex scandal.

[Minimalist]

They go both ways.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-...-1.3552018

Number of women accusing Catholic priest of sexual abuse rises to 23

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I sincerely hope that the entire current raft of sexual misconduct allegations towards celebrities turn out to be true, even (much as it pains me to say it), the one against Takei.  Because if ANY of them turn out to be false, that would easily encourage a nothing's-going-to-be-done-about-anyway-so-I'll-just-keep-my-mouth-shut-about-it mentality in the victims.

Boru

[LadyForCamus]

Somehow the allegations always seem to disappear after the elections, hearings, etc. Innocent until proven guilty, unless and until there's a conviction, I don't think it should taint someone.

You said, "taint".

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Somehow the allegations always seem to disappear after the elections, hearings, etc. Innocent until proven guilty, unless and until there's a conviction, I don't think it should taint someone.

You're right, Wooters.  Some people lie, like for example, all sixteen women who accused Trump.  Amma' right?

Maybe the accusations go away because the men in power being accused don't suffer any consequences.  Like, for example: still getting to be president of the United States.  When is Trump going to get going with the lawsuits against all those nasty liars that he promised us, anyway?

[Brian37]

I would rather let 10 guilty go free than to falsely convict one innocent person. The rich and famous whom are accused have the means to defend themselves. I take this attitude more for the no name people in the middle class and especially the poor. Not just on the issue of sexual assault, but any crime. 

The Rolling Stone article about the college players proves that the innocent can be falsely accused. We should take any claim of sexual assault seriously, but it is still up to law enforcement, judges, lawyers and juries. 

My mom was a teacher for 30 years. Even outside the issue of sexual assault, she could tell you how easy it was for kids who were mad at her, when they were scolded or given a bad grade, the kid would go home and tell their parent she said or did something she didn't do, only to have the parent come in and have a meeting with her and be angry at her. 


No this is not about blindly defending men. Rape and sexual assault are real things and unfortunately happen every day and everyone wants those events to be reduced and for those who do those things to be held to account. But as with ANY CRIME be it theft, or murder, it is extremely important to get the facts correct and not allow law, judges or juries to be poisoned with a mob rule mentality. 

In totalitarian states, in theocracies, accusations and propaganda lead to state murder and mob rule. Our systems in the west while not perfect, are designed to be a filter so that the right person is held to account, and not just anyone. The issue is long term, not one person, or one case, or one type of crime. But in the long term attitude of what kind of society do we want to live in? Our courts are there, not to protect the guilty, but the innocent as well.

We can all say what we want in media about the accused but ultimately due process is what protects us from becoming oppressive states. 

The point being, is that you don't protect the accused because you like them as individuals, you protect them because you should want a long term society where if the state falsely accuses you, you have recourse.

In countries like North Korea, not even on the issue of sex, if your neighbor suspects you of going against the state, one word and you could end up in prison, or dead. In Saudi Arabia and Iran too, things like open apostasy even if you didn't say it, someone accusing you of it, could get you hurt by a mob or the state itself.

Nobody is against or should be against going after criminals that is why we have police and investigators, but we should also want the process to be strictly about provable fact, and not base judgment solely on the nature of the charge.

[Rev. Rye]

We know false accusations do happen. The big question is not whether it happens, or how often. Wikipedia's page on false rape accusations includes several studies on the phoenomenon and they vary wildly on how often it happens (and I mean fro 1.5% to 90% wildly). That said, they tend to skew towards the less common.

My own personal guess: the biggest study of the phoenomenon was by the British Home Office in 2005, and they concluded that 67 out of the 2643 cases they studied were possible or probable false allegations. Meanwhile, RAINN estimates 321,500 people are sexually assaulted per year. They also estimate only 341 cases out of 1000 will report what happened to the police. All three statistics, for reasons inherent in the nature of the offense, are very difficult to get a handle on, but it would seem they are reliable.

So, we take the math and come up with a number.
321500*.341*(67/2643)=2779 cases per year. (7.608 per day)

Needless to say, this is a drop in the bucket compared to the rapes that actually happen, but there's still a bit more than 15 people every two days who get falsely accused.

Yes, we have failed victims in the past; Yes, it's usually a safe bet that the people who come forward are telling the truth; But this doesn't justify going to the opposite extreme because that will also end up in innocent people having their lives ruined.

Look at the evidence, wait for more, and see where it takes us. He could be innocent, he could be the gay Asian Bill Cosby. Jumping to conclusions does nobody any good. If anyone here hasn't watched 12 Angry Men, I would highly recommend you do. There's lots of clips of the 1957 film on Youtube (and even the whole thing through a paywall), as well as the original 1954 teleplay, and even a couple stage productions, but whichever one you watch, the idea will be the same: there's only one way to figure out the truth - by investigating.

And, as Brian37 said, convicting someone while there's still room for reasonable doubt (even if it's just the court of public opinion) is a horrible thing, even if it's for the most horrible offenses. Once we stop caring about that, it's no longer a matter of justice, but human sacrifice.

[Aroura]

So, am I misreading the accusation, or does this sounds like it's not even sexual misconduct even if it did happen?

Guy goes to Takei's house for drinks, doesn't feel well, possible passes out, wakes up to "unwanted touching", tells Takai so, and Takei says..."OK, fine" and worried he might be too drunk to drive home, but the guy just goes out and waits until he feels well enough to drive home, then drives home.  His own words are that when he said "no", Takei's response was to say"Ok fine" and stop. 

I'm sorry, but getting groped one time on a date is not sexual harassment.  When you say "no" and continue to get groped, THAT is sexual misconduct, but when the guy said no, he admits Takei stopped.  That's just...dating. Not every unwanted advance is misconduct.  People make advances to find out if they are further wanted.

I know he says he passed out for a little bit, but this is one of the reasons drinking is such an issue.  You can be unaware as a drunk, and still seem conscious to others.  Blackouts.  It's a real thing.  There are definite grey areas in the drinking/sexual misconduct area, and this seems like one of them.

Am I wrong, here?

(also, unlike many other recent accusation, this one has not been followed by ANY others.  I don't think the fellow is lying, I just think he's mistaking a drunken sexual pass as misconduct)