Your opinion of "mental defect" in law.....

[Brian37]

I think the definition in pleas needs to change, no, not to let the violent go, but I do not buy the idea that premeditation means you cant be insane. I think you can be bat crap crazy and plan at the same time.

The reason I bring his up is because of the nut who managed to escape the mental hospital in Hawaii, they caught him in California 72 hours later, yesterday. Yes it was planned. 

I think it is very possible to be mentally ill and guilty and plan at the same time. 

Don't get me wrong, I am not talking about the Psycho movie series, where they let him go after pills and therapy, and yes, there were more than one. I think with the violently mentally ill, yes they need to be contained as much as the sane, but I don't buy the idea that you cant have a mental defect and plan at the same time.


Of course this is completely separate from things like schizophrenia. Just wondering if others get what I am saying.

[vorlon13]

It works (or fails to work) both ways.

Jeff Dahmer was deemed (infamously) sane, and Dan White (quite possibly the most successful political assassin in US history) was found to be less responsible due to feeling a bit punk from eating a Twinkie.

[brewer]

My opinion, you are in no position to judge.

[Minimalist]

The law hates loose ends, Brian.  It prefers certainty even where none exists.

[Mister Agenda]

The mental defect issue is usually regarding the perpetrator's mental capacity to understand the ethical implications and real-world consequences of their actions. If you murder someone because you believe they're an imposter who has replaced the true individual using their advanced reptoids technology; your attorney is probably going to be able to mount a credible insanity defense no matter how meticulously you planned the murder.

[Brian37]

The law hates loose ends, Brian.  It prefers certainty even where none exists.

BINGO, couldn't have said it better myself.

Tons of grey area here.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I think the definition in pleas needs to change, no, not to let the violent go, but I do not buy the idea that premeditation means you cant be insane. I think you can be bat crap crazy and plan at the same time.

The reason I bring his up is because of the nut who managed to escape the mental hospital in Hawaii, they caught him in California 72 hours later, yesterday. Yes it was planned. 

I think it is very possible to be mentally ill and guilty and plan at the same time. 

Don't get me wrong, I am not talking about the Psycho movie series, where they let him go after pills and therapy, and yes, there were more than one. I think with the violently mentally ill, yes they need to be contained as much as the sane, but I don't buy the idea that you cant have a mental defect and plan at the same time.


Of course this is completely separate from things like schizophrenia. Just wondering if others get what I am saying.

So a loony tune escapes from a mental hospital in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, gets dressed, goes to the airport and passes through the Gestapo line, gets on a plane, and flies to California.  He isn't the crazy one, everyone else is.

[The Valkyrie]

I think the definition in pleas needs to change, no, not to let the violent go, but I do not buy the idea that premeditation means you cant be insane. I think you can be bat crap crazy and plan at the same time.

The reason I bring his up is because of the nut who managed to escape the mental hospital in Hawaii, they caught him in California 72 hours later, yesterday. Yes it was planned. 

I think it is very possible to be mentally ill and guilty and plan at the same time. 

Don't get me wrong, I am not talking about the Psycho movie series, where they let him go after pills and therapy, and yes, there were more than one. I think with the violently mentally ill, yes they need to be contained as much as the sane, but I don't buy the idea that you cant have a mental defect and plan at the same time.


Of course this is completely separate from things like schizophrenia. Just wondering if others get what I am saying.

So a loony tune escapes from a mental hospital in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, gets dressed, goes to the airport and passes through the Gestapo line, gets on a plane, and flies to California.  He isn't the crazy one, everyone else is.

Precisely.

Everyone should be locked up for the safety of society at large.

Because, and I may be a little biased here, people suck!

[Minimalist]

I think the definition in pleas needs to change, no, not to let the violent go, but I do not buy the idea that premeditation means you cant be insane. I think you can be bat crap crazy and plan at the same time.

The reason I bring his up is because of the nut who managed to escape the mental hospital in Hawaii, they caught him in California 72 hours later, yesterday. Yes it was planned. 

I think it is very possible to be mentally ill and guilty and plan at the same time. 

Don't get me wrong, I am not talking about the Psycho movie series, where they let him go after pills and therapy, and yes, there were more than one. I think with the violently mentally ill, yes they need to be contained as much as the sane, but I don't buy the idea that you cant have a mental defect and plan at the same time.


Of course this is completely separate from things like schizophrenia. Just wondering if others get what I am saying.

So a loony tune escapes from a mental hospital in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, gets dressed, goes to the airport and passes through the Gestapo line, gets on a plane, and flies to California.  He isn't the crazy one, everyone else is.

Funny you should mention this.  I was just watching the late news and they mentioned that the TSA had nabbed 62 guns this week alone nationwide that people had in carry-on bags.  The bad part is that their own Inspector General tests show they fuck up 70% of the time.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

So a loony tune escapes from a mental hospital in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, gets dressed, goes to the airport and passes through the Gestapo line, gets on a plane, and flies to California.  He isn't the crazy one, everyone else is.

Precisely.

Everyone should be locked up for the safety of society at large.

Because, and I may be a little biased here, people suck!

Well consider what the loony tune did.  He planned his escape, got dressed in appropriate travel clothes, selected a flight to the mainland, paid for his ticket, went to the airport by cab or some other means, checked in, got a boarding pass, presented his ID to the Gestapo agents, went through security, and walked to the appropriate gate and got on the plane and flew without any trouble to California.  Heck, you would have had more problems doing that than he had.  It's a damn good thing he is just crazy and not a terrorist because he's one resourceful fellow.