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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 27, 2017 at 4:49 pm
steve has no evidence so has to play word games
just give us the evidence steve
youll change my mind instantly with evidence
but you want to fight & feel full of pride don't you buddy?
kill the filthy kafirs steve go on
show them your god is the bestest god
shame it cant defend itself & need a tiny primate like you to go online instead
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 27, 2017 at 4:52 pm
I completely don't follow chorlton or agree with rampant anti-theism. That said, he makes a point. All you need to do is prove it. You've made a claim for the existence of god, so prove it. If you don't, you can't blame other people for disagreeing with you.
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 27, 2017 at 5:00 pm
(November 27, 2017 at 4:52 pm)Shell B Wrote: I completely don't follow chorlton or agree with rampant anti-theism. That said, he makes a point. All you need to do is prove it. You've made a claim for the existence of god, so prove it. If you don't, you can't blame other people for disagreeing with you.
That sounds good, but can't the same be said, for anything you don't agree with?
You've made the various claims of evolution, now all you have to do is prove it! If you don't you can't blame other people for disagreeing.
First I may take a little issue with the word prove, but this really could be begging the question. Now if the person is just proclaiming that everything is fact, and doesn't give a reason for their claim, you might have some point, but even then I don't think saying it like that is right.
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 27, 2017 at 5:02 pm
(November 27, 2017 at 4:46 pm)Shell B Wrote: If it's a result of an action or condition, it's because "he" made it so, according to the very core of your religion. Therefore, whatever consequences stem from not believing in god are very deliberate on "his" part.
So, Hell is just a place where souls chill without god. There is really nothing to fear except not hanging out with god. So, if you don't believe in god or aren't that pleased with his creation, it's not a big deal. I can just kick it with atheists for all of eternity. Cool. Sin on, folks! W00t!
Actually, that is not a correct characterization of God. Part of the meaning of having a perfectly Holy and perfectly Just nature means that there is no choice that God makes about what to do with sin. It just is the way it is because it is part of God's unchangeable nature.
Regarding hell, you missed the sentence " Weeping and gnashing of teeth" are metaphors to the pain caused by complete separation from God." The description of such a condition in the Bible is not at all pleasant. Also, it seems it might be a stretch to imagine that an immaterial soul can communicate with other immaterial souls--so I wouldn't count on "kicking back with atheists".
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 27, 2017 at 5:43 pm
(November 27, 2017 at 3:52 pm)ƵenKlassen Wrote: Ha! It's funny how [b]Bow Before Zeus changed this post's title from:[/b]
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I’m pretty sure we (staff) did that.
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 27, 2017 at 6:10 pm
(November 27, 2017 at 5:00 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (November 27, 2017 at 4:52 pm)Shell B Wrote: I completely don't follow chorlton or agree with rampant anti-theism. That said, he makes a point. All you need to do is prove it. You've made a claim for the existence of god, so prove it. If you don't, you can't blame other people for disagreeing with you.
That sounds good, but can't the same be said, for anything you don't agree with?
You've made the various claims of evolution, now all you have to do is prove it! If you don't you can't blame other people for disagreeing.
First I may take a little issue with the word prove, but this really could be begging the question. Now if the person is just proclaiming that everything is fact, and doesn't give a reason for their claim, you might have some point, but even then I don't think saying it like that is right.
With a little bit of intellectual honesty, perhaps you might make an effort to actually study evolution. If reading is not for you, I promise you there are many YouTube videos on evolution to help you out. There are also online courses that are all about evolution, and will provide lectures related to the various evidence for evolution. Believe me, before knowing much about evolution, even as a newborn atheist, I used to think evolution was more speculation and guesswork than anything scientific, but reading and watching videos that showed how much evidence there was for evolution helped immensely. You'd be amazed how conclusive the evidence is. But again, you need intellectual honesty first, otherwise you'll just keep playing these silly games.
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 27, 2017 at 6:26 pm
(November 27, 2017 at 6:10 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (November 27, 2017 at 5:00 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: That sounds good, but can't the same be said, for anything you don't agree with?
You've made the various claims of evolution, now all you have to do is prove it! If you don't you can't blame other people for disagreeing.
First I may take a little issue with the word prove, but this really could be begging the question. Now if the person is just proclaiming that everything is fact, and doesn't give a reason for their claim, you might have some point, but even then I don't think saying it like that is right.
With a little bit of intellectual honesty, perhaps you might make an effort to actually study evolution. If reading is not for you, I promise you there are many YouTube videos on evolution to help you out. There are also online courses that are all about evolution, and will provide lectures related to the various evidence for evolution. Believe me, before knowing much about evolution, even as a newborn atheist, I used to think evolution was more speculation and guesswork than anything scientific, but reading and watching videos that showed how much evidence there was for evolution helped immensely. You'd be amazed how conclusive the evidence is. But again, you need intellectual honesty first, otherwise you'll just keep playing these silly games.
Wasn't really making a case against evolution, so I think that you missed the point (hint.... it's not about whether evolution is true or not).
I think that you immediately make insinuations about intellectual honest (when I said very little) says a lot though. However if you want to make a thread, I would love to see what new info you think you have, that got you all worked up.
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 27, 2017 at 6:41 pm
(November 27, 2017 at 6:26 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (November 27, 2017 at 6:10 pm)Grandizer Wrote: With a little bit of intellectual honesty, perhaps you might make an effort to actually study evolution. If reading is not for you, I promise you there are many YouTube videos on evolution to help you out. There are also online courses that are all about evolution, and will provide lectures related to the various evidence for evolution. Believe me, before knowing much about evolution, even as a newborn atheist, I used to think evolution was more speculation and guesswork than anything scientific, but reading and watching videos that showed how much evidence there was for evolution helped immensely. You'd be amazed how conclusive the evidence is. But again, you need intellectual honesty first, otherwise you'll just keep playing these silly games.
Wasn't really making a case against evolution, so I think that you missed the point (hint.... it's not about whether evolution is true or not).
I think that you immediately make insinuations about intellectual honest (when I said very little) says a lot though. However if you want to make a thread, I would love to see what new info you think you have, that got you all worked up.
This is not the first time you make this sort of post, though. And Im not the only one who ever questiojed your intellectual honesty in this forum. Maybe if you stop playing games, and avoid obfuscating, then people will stop questioning that part about you. With that said, if you accept evolution, what the hell are you questioning then about evolution? If evolution is true, then human beings descended from ancestral apes. Surely, you accept that, right? Why go there as a counter to your failure to provide any evidence for God? Or do you mean something basic by evolution that disregards common descent and speciation?
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 28, 2017 at 2:53 am
(This post was last modified: November 28, 2017 at 2:55 am by Bow Before Zeus.)
(November 27, 2017 at 11:44 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (November 23, 2017 at 3:50 am)Bow Before Zeus Wrote: Your "logic" astounds me. As do your "manners". Still waiting for some common decency from the xtians.
Well, what did you expect when you came out of the starting gate making unsupported accusations and insults?
Name one "unsupported accusations and insults" that I have made.
(November 27, 2017 at 3:52 pm)ƵenKlassen Wrote: Ha! It's funny how [b]Bow Before Zeus changed this post's title from:[/b]
[b]"Christian Parents Abuse their Children" to "Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?"
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No, the mods did that. I would never ameliorate the truth to appease the xtians. Where would we stop in that case? Would we have to recant the fact of evolution?
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 28, 2017 at 11:47 am
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(November 27, 2017 at 5:00 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (November 27, 2017 at 4:52 pm)Shell B Wrote: I completely don't follow chorlton or agree with rampant anti-theism. That said, he makes a point. All you need to do is prove it. You've made a claim for the existence of god, so prove it. If you don't, you can't blame other people for disagreeing with you.
That sounds good, but can't the same be said, for anything you don't agree with?
You've made the various claims of evolution, now all you have to do is prove it! If you don't you can't blame other people for disagreeing.
First I may take a little issue with the word prove, but this really could be begging the question. Now if the person is just proclaiming that everything is fact, and doesn't give a reason for their claim, you might have some point, but even then I don't think saying it like that is right.
Of course it is. It's classic burden of evidence. Evolution is provable, so bad example?
(November 27, 2017 at 5:02 pm)SteveII Wrote: (November 27, 2017 at 4:46 pm)Shell B Wrote: If it's a result of an action or condition, it's because "he" made it so, according to the very core of your religion. Therefore, whatever consequences stem from not believing in god are very deliberate on "his" part.
So, Hell is just a place where souls chill without god. There is really nothing to fear except not hanging out with god. So, if you don't believe in god or aren't that pleased with his creation, it's not a big deal. I can just kick it with atheists for all of eternity. Cool. Sin on, folks! W00t!
Actually, that is not a correct characterization of God. Part of the meaning of having a perfectly Holy and perfectly Just nature means that there is no choice that God makes about what to do with sin. It just is the way it is because it is part of God's unchangeable nature.
Regarding hell, you missed the sentence "Weeping and gnashing of teeth" are metaphors to the pain caused by complete separation from God." The description of such a condition in the Bible is not at all pleasant. Also, it seems it might be a stretch to imagine that an immaterial soul can communicate with other immaterial souls--so I wouldn't count on "kicking back with atheists".
So, you'll just be floating around heaven without communicating too? Sounds a lot like hell.
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