Eternal afterlife

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Currently, no one occupies Hell (probably not even in existence yet), the first 2 to enter are the Anti-Christ, and His False Prophet which is before the 1000 year Kingdom Reign of Christ on earth. 3'rd is Satan himself at the end of the 1000 years (for that period, for almost it's entire duration, he will be held in the bottomless pit). At the end of the 1000 years, there is the Great White Judgement of those that wish not to accept God's Work-of-Redemption and desire go into their eternal abode without God's influence. But God still protects those there from the one's who demonstrated the most evil on earth by restraining there actions which causes them 'torment'. The 'New Creation' is a free sin zone but the really good part is free-will is greatly enhanced without even the possibility of sinning.

That's as maybe, but the point still remains that if Saruman had stayed true to the mission set him by the Valar, he could have been a great help to the West instead of a hindrance.  His lust for power, which caused him to both fortify Isengard AND delay/divert the search for the One Ring (he hoped to get it for himself), caused Mithrandir no end of trouble, especially since the latter's efforts could have been better spent elsewhere.

Boru

You pick your faery tales, I'll pick mine.

[Haipule]

Well tell us then. Can I murder someone, then repent and accept Jesus for the prize? Tell us.

 Not with the attitude you have in responding to my post, repentance is humbling yourself before God and admitting you are a sinner. many have committed murder and later with sincerity repented of what they have done, from the smallest thing to the largest thing. By the way there is no prize, we receive a gift from God and that is total forgiveness, it is unmerited and totally free. Unless you are willing to accept Jesus for who He is the answer to your question is no.

GC

Aloha GC:

"Repentance" is a stupid ecclesiastical word! The biblical Greek word is metanoia and is first the prefixed preposition meta which means; with, as in loose association, plus noia which means: mind.

Jesus asked that we all become 'with-minded', 'fellowship-minded'. He did not say "repent" to people He did not know! Or, to anyone on-target!

"Sin" is a stupid Latin word! The biblical Greek word is hamartia and means: off-course, off-target, miss, errant, astray, wrong way, dead-end. It's about where your going, and not what you are doing. A "sinner" then is hamartia in it's adjective form used substantively for a wayward individual.

Biblical "forgiveness" means: to be released from the payment of a debt. All mankind was parabasis, paraptOma, hamartia. The price was paid nearly 2,000yrs ago. It is a done deal you cannot add to nor take away from. "It is finished!" Just say, Thank You! Your dept is paid! And you are free! 

"Humility" before God is to be humbled. Not arrogantly "humble".

"Salvation" is a stupid French word! The biblical Greek word is sOtEria and means: deliverance, preservation, made whole, kept safe and sound, recue from harm, right here, right now as we live TODAY and every moment of our breathing lives!

"Faith", from the Greek biblical word pistos means: To trust in your inventory of ideas that you have built from the study of God's Word and living life. Academic knowledge of God's Word is not experiential understanding of the zOE-life of His promise! "Faith" is not blind!

God's offer to you is zOE-life and He is the only source. Not and church's ecclesiastical "salvation"! But, life abundant here and now! Will you accept God's offer of life?! Or, the church's mess!  

I do not "believe" in Jesus! I trust Him is His way, truth and life! I have NEVER been disappointed!

[Edwardo Piet]

Well tell us then. Can I murder someone, then repent and accept Jesus for the prize? Tell us.

 Not with the attitude you have in responding to my post, repentance is humbling yourself before God and admitting you are a sinner. many have committed murder and later with sincerity repented of what they have done, from the smallest thing to the largest thing. By the way there is no prize, we receive a gift from God and that is total forgiveness, it is unmerited and totally free. Unless you are willing to accept Jesus for who He is the answer to your question is no.

GC

Yeah, so someone can kill, murder, rape, and molest children and torture animals . . . and as long as they sincerly give themselves to Jesus Christ afterwards, then everything is hunky dory and all is forgiven. But someone can be one of the most remarkably moral people you would ever meet, and they never accept Jesus Christ because they're an atheist, and that person gets an eternal hell of punishment.

Just goes to show that Christianity is highly immoral.

[The Valkyrie]

The thing that amuses me with the reactions of some theists is when they state, "So, according to atheists, Hitler is not suffering for what he did? He's simply dead? How can you accept that?"

Easily, in fact.

While there are some people who truly would, in my mind, deserve eternal suffering, it's enough to know they're no longer in the world.

I remember a person on another forum posting video of Saddam Hussein's execution multiple times on the forum.

I told him the same thing, that I didn't need to see him hangs, just the knowledge that he['s no longer in the world is enough for me.

[Ravenshire]

 Not with the attitude you have in responding to my post, repentance is humbling yourself before God and admitting you are a sinner. many have committed murder and later with sincerity repented of what they have done, from the smallest thing to the largest thing. By the way there is no prize, we receive a gift from God and that is total forgiveness, it is unmerited and totally free. Unless you are willing to accept Jesus for who He is the answer to your question is no.

GC

Yeah, so someone can kill, murder, rape, and molest children and torture animals . . . and as long as they sincerly give themselves to Jesus Christ afterwards, then everything is hunky dory and all is forgiven. But someone can be one of the most remarkably moral people you would ever meet, and they never accept Jesus Christ because they're an atheist, and that person gets an eternal hell of punishment.

Just goes to show that Christianity is highly immoral.

Religion:

[Minimalist]

We can now file that tricky verse in the !DUH! file.

Odd.  That's where I have filed you.

[Godscreated]

 Not with the attitude you have in responding to my post, repentance is humbling yourself before God and admitting you are a sinner. many have committed murder and later with sincerity repented of what they have done, from the smallest thing to the largest thing. By the way there is no prize, we receive a gift from God and that is total forgiveness, it is unmerited and totally free. Unless you are willing to accept Jesus for who He is the answer to your question is no.

GC

Yeah, so someone can kill, murder, rape, and molest children and torture animals . . . and as long as they sincerly give themselves to Jesus Christ afterwards, then everything is hunky dory and all is forgiven. But someone can be one of the most remarkably moral people you would ever meet, and they never accept Jesus Christ because they're an atheist, and that person gets an eternal hell of punishment.

Just goes to show that Christianity is highly immoral.

  You believe Christianity is wrong because you do not understand it. All have sinned and fallen short of God's will, so none are guiltless. We all must come to Jesus for our eternal forgiveness. Let me ask you this, do you believe those you described shouldn't have a chance of salvation?

GC

[Fake Messiah]

Well tell us then. Can I murder someone, then repent and accept Jesus for the prize? Tell us.

Of course! Lord Jealous forgives the murderers and rapists and welcomes pedophiles if they bow to him, but he punishes the unconvinced, no matter how good in their heart they are, simply because they don't believe.

[Godscreated]

 Not with the attitude you have in responding to my post, repentance is humbling yourself before God and admitting you are a sinner. many have committed murder and later with sincerity repented of what they have done, from the smallest thing to the largest thing. By the way there is no prize, we receive a gift from God and that is total forgiveness, it is unmerited and totally free. Unless you are willing to accept Jesus for who He is the answer to your question is no.

GC

Aloha GC:

"Repentance" is a stupid ecclesiastical word! The biblical Greek word is metanoia and is first the prefixed preposition meta which means; with, as in loose association, plus noia which means: mind.

Jesus asked that we all become 'with-minded', 'fellowship-minded'. He did not say "repent" to people He did not know! Or, to anyone on-target!

"Sin" is a stupid Latin word! The biblical Greek word is hamartia and means: off-course, off-target, miss, errant, astray, wrong way, dead-end. It's about where your going, and not what you are doing. A "sinner" then is hamartia in it's adjective form used substantively for a wayward individual.

Biblical "forgiveness" means: to be released from the payment of a debt. All mankind was parabasis, paraptOma, hamartia. The price was paid nearly 2,000yrs ago. It is a done deal you cannot add to nor take away from. "It is finished!" Just say, Thank You! Your dept is paid! And you are free! 

"Humility" before God is to be humbled. Not arrogantly "humble".

"Salvation" is a stupid French word! The biblical Greek word is sOtEria and means: deliverance, preservation, made whole, kept safe and sound, recue from harm, right here, right now as we live TODAY and every moment of our breathing lives!

"Faith", from the Greek biblical word pistos means: To trust in your inventory of ideas that you have built from the study of God's Word and living life. Academic knowledge of God's Word is not experiential understanding of the zOE-life of His promise! "Faith" is not blind!

God's offer to you is zOE-life and He is the only source. Not and church's ecclesiastical "salvation"! But, life abundant here and now! Will you accept God's offer of life?! Or, the church's mess!  

I do not "believe" in Jesus! I trust Him is His way, truth and life! I have NEVER been disappointed!

  Are you disagreeing with me or agreeing. I understand what Jesus has taught through the inspired word we call the Bible. The  word definitions you give are Greek and they often have meanings that are many words where the English language generally uses one or two words. The meanings are generally the same or at least understood to be the same and those words are not stupid they are what we who speak English use.

  I believe what I described was pretty much the same as you were trying to say, I do not need the Greek to understand what the Bible says, I do use the Greek words to clarify some passages when needed. Please tell me the difference between belief and trust, I see them as one and the same?

GC

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

By the way there is no prize, we receive a gift from God and that is total forgiveness, it is unmerited and totally free.

Well, forgiveness isn't exactly 'total'.  Mark 3:29.

Boru