How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?

[Banned]

Perhaps you might like to be more clear about what you want from me, state what would you like me to feel from your writing, it may save you pages of ranting.

I want from you as the topic title wants you to explain: how can you worship such mass murderer and overall immoral monster? But it seems you can't and now you're calling "fake news" and "fake Bibles".

it is obvious to any scholar that you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.

Then explain it to me in your scholarly way why is god murdering everybody and commanding people to rape women. This makes you look like you can't and that you're angry at me and trying to attack me ad hominem, like you don't have any arguments and even going so desperate to say I invented those verses. I mean you are dishonest liar and not me.

But the truth is that Christians are very well aware that their god is angry asshole, I mean just look at some hymns like "In Christ Alone" which contains the line "Till on that cross as Jesus died / The wrath of God was satisfied." Indeed that line bothers kind and peaceful people to think they might be worshiping a god of wrath that in 2013 Presbyterian Church in the United States came under criticism when it dropped the song from its hymnbook. It embarrasses them to think the plan of salvation reduces to appeasing the demanding anger of a hot-tempered father.

I have already posted an answer which covers the basics of the topic. 
It sounds like you've never had a positive view of the Bible.
A lot of people don't, and there are a few reasons for that, the main one being that they have no connection with God through a knowledge of the Bible, and prayer.

The great controversy between good and evil began in heaven and has continued on earth. It started by Satan misrepresenting God, and he has succeeded in taking the human race down the same track. It doesn't matter what God does, he will be misrepresented.

You can read the details in the book "Patriarchs and Prophets" by (the well slandered) Ellen White. You will find that when God did not punish Satan in the beginning, that Satan told the angels that the silence (patience) of God was due to the fact that God was being exposed, and that he had no answer to the charges of the rebellion.
But over a long period of time, the enemy finally made open/physical war, it was then that he was driven out of heaven. 

The issue on earth is again the misrepresentation of God's character. His name is worse than mud. And please know, that the religions of the world are owned and controlled by Satan, yes, Christian churches, pagan religions alike. The real God might as well be dead, because he certainly is not worshiped by the world.
The religions have made themselves the self appointed gateways or agents for heaven, while the rights of men to be connected to God is denied through false ideas, and the hierachy of men.

Despite all appearances God has people all over the world, few in number, who love and honor him, the rest are his enemies, they don't like to retain God in their minds, and prefer philosophy, their own ideas and some sort of image.

I apologize for ranting.

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So if the Bible is fake history, what's your problem?

It's your problem, actually.  -The- problem is that people who believe it really did happen trip over themselves to justify those things, as you did, and this is precisely how -actual- genocides occur.  Any person who's convinced themselves that the author of goodness engaged in righteous ethnic cleansing is exactly the kind of person I'd recruit to operate the ovens at a my death camp.  Any person who's convinced themselves that the lord of the cosmos told his shock troops to capture little girls, in his benevolence.... is exactly the kind of person I'd put at he tip of my village burning spear.

You are quite right, every war, every attrocity in the world since day one, has had a spiritual or religious backbone. And that includes what we typically view as a political/secular wars, such as WWI and II. There are specific religious organisations behind all wars.

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You might like to put some suggestions in the box as to how the world should be run.

Okay. Without religion.

Oh I see what you mean, you want us to pretend that the world is being run by a God, and you want us to suggest how he could up his game?

How would you implement an order against all religion? As a government, or as God if you like?
Commnism has already done that...hasn't it? 
Would anyone like to live in North Korea?

[The Grand Nudger]

It sounds like you've never had a positive view of the Bible.
A lot of people don't, and there are a few reasons for that, the main one being that they have no connection with God through a knowledge of the Bible, and prayer.

Or...and I'm just spitballing here, maybe it's because magic book is full of terrible shit and there's no shortage of people who play back and forth between justifying it and pretending it isn't in there?  I always find it amusing that gods mouthpeices on earth think that it's somehow on the person who just doesn't "get" how righteous divine ethnic cleansing is - they just didn't pray enough about it. Who'd have imagined that a god would be such a poor communicator?

You are quite right, every war, every attrocity in the world since day one, has had a spiritual or religious backbone. And that includes what we typically view as a political/secular wars, such as WWI and II. There are specific religious organisations behind all wars.

That sounds as silly as temporary amnesia regarding the contents of magic book.  Are you having this conversation internally?  I ask..because no one proposed as much in thread.

[Banned]

You might like to put some suggestions in the box as to how the world should be run.

Do I really have to argue that a secular democracy is better than a theocratic dictatorship? As if these kinds of things haven't been tested before, and one doesn't prove substantially better for Humanity than the other? You have admitted that the world is pretty ok right now. You just seem to give credit to your deity for this, despite the best places in the world being somewhat socialist, with very little power in the hands of theocrats.

Sure, theocracy never worked, it could have, but it didn't. We could say the same about any ideal.

The new communism, is almost global...it works for a large class of society. I wouldn't recommend a religious government, it's wrong.

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It sounds like you've never had a positive view of the Bible.
A lot of people don't, and there are a few reasons for that, the main one being that they have no connection with God through a knowledge of the Bible, and prayer.

Or...and I'm just spitballing here, maybe it's because magic book is full of terrible shit and there's no shortage of people who play back and forth between justifying it and pretending it isn't in there?  I always find it amusing that gods mouthpeices on earth think that it's somehow on the person who just doesn't "get" how righteous divine ethnic cleansing is - they just didn't pray enough about it.  Who'd have imagined that a god would be such a poor communicator?

You are quite right, every war, every attrocity in the world since day one, has had a spiritual or religious backbone. And that includes what we typically view as a political/secular wars, such as WWI and II. There are specific religious organisations behind all wars.

That sounds as silly as temporary amnesia regarding the contents of magic book.  Are you having this conversation internally?  I ask..because no one proposed as much in thread.

I wish that you could get a clear picture of the world and everything about it. There's a war going on. Have you ever seen the series Total Onslaught by Walter Vieth? See You Tube.
There are some people on this forum who dread this info getting out, and will trash it. Or visit Amazing Discoveries - same videos online.

[Chad32]

Do I really have to argue that a secular democracy is better than a theocratic dictatorship? As if these kinds of things haven't been tested before, and one doesn't prove substantially better for Humanity than the other? You have admitted that the world is pretty ok right now. You just seem to give credit to your deity for this, despite the best places in the world being somewhat socialist, with very little power in the hands of theocrats.

Sure, theocracy never worked, it could have, but it didn't. We could say the same about any ideal.

The new communism, is almost global...it works for a large class of society. I wouldn't recommend a religious government, it's wrong.

Well some ideals are obviously better than others. If you think we should let god run everything, then a theocracy is what you're recommending. There is a reason having one person call all the shots doesn't work. Because one person can't be trusted with full power over an entire population. Case in point, Yahweh's solution to just about everything seems to involve killing people, which obviously hasn't solved Humanity's problems.

[The Grand Nudger]

I wish that you could get a clear picture of the world and everything about it. There's a war going on. Have you ever seen the series Total Onslaught by Walter Vieth? See You Tube.
There are some people on this forum who dread this info getting out, and will trash it. Or visit Amazing Discoveries - same videos online.

It's almost as if you're -trying- to reinforce my observations of people just like you......?  

How much of any of that are you standing by?  Are you an anti-semitic warrior of christ in the end times, who believes in creationism and the ability of baked kale to cure cancer -in addition- to the righteousness of sex trafficking, ethnic cleansing and genocide....all under cover of some great global conspiracy with agents here on these very boards?  

What makes you think I'm not one of Them™, working to suppress your great truth?  When's the last time you checked your closet..or under your bed?  We could be anywhere.

[Banned]

So if the Bible is fake history, what's your problem?

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I don't have a problem, I was just answering his question.  You didn't like my answer? Sounds like you have the problem.
I keep having to explain this to people, but:
The bible is taken as fact by millions.  So I have to deal with it on that level.
The bible, even if not taken as fact, is part of western culture.  There are references in songs, movies, tv, books, paintings, restaurant names, etc.  I like understanding my culture, so knowing the bible and it's stories are still important, even though it's mostly fictional.
I put the same stock in knowing other important cultural things. For instance, I have read many classic books (Frankenstein, Moby Dick, Pride and Prejudice, and so forth), and watched the old movies that are still referenced today (like Casablanca, Citizen Kane, The Maltese Falcon, REar Window, and so forth).
Discussing the characters in the bible is not different from discussing the character in Harry Potter, or Star Wars.  I take an interest in it all.  I think knowing things and discussing them with others is preferable to not.

Thanks for that, I get where you are coming from.

[Banned]

Sure, theocracy never worked, it could have, but it didn't. We could say the same about any ideal.

The new communism, is almost global...it works for a large class of society. I wouldn't recommend a religious government, it's wrong.

Well some ideals are obviously better than others. If you think we should let god run everything, then a theocracy is what you're recommending. There is a reason having one person call all the shots doesn't work. Because one person can't be trusted with full power over an entire population. Case in point, Yahweh's solution to just about everything seems to involve killing people, which obviously hasn't solved Humanity's problems.

I am convinced that God overrules the affairs of the world anyway, whether we like it or not, and whether we recognise it or not. 
The Bible has recorded numerous aspects and variations of Divine intervention. A theocracy was only a part of it. It is up to the reader to judge those actions. 

As for the "killing" that keeps popping up, if I was living peacefully and a hoard of grubby Philistines came over the hill to kill my village, I'd be happy if God made them pass away.

I agree with everyone's point of view about the despotic images of God that seem to be written, but proper investigation reveals far more than meets the eye. 
Preconcieved ideas have to be laid down when making a sincere inquiry. 

I am not in favour of a theocracy, because it is a temporary solution, which if the people don't want to work with, it ends up being a substitutionary political system, which was not intended, because God is into a family setup, not policies and hierarchies. 
But there are plenty of people (in power) who would love the have the church rule again, and their wishes will come true for the entire globe - fortunately for a short time only.

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I wish that you could get a clear picture of the world and everything about it. There's a war going on. Have you ever seen the series Total Onslaught by Walter Vieth? See You Tube.
There are some people on this forum who dread this info getting out, and will trash it. Or visit Amazing Discoveries - same videos online.

It's almost as if you're -trying- to reinforce my observations of people just like you......?  

How much of any of that are you standing by?  Are you an anti-semitic warrior of christ in the end times, who believes in creationism and the ability of baked kale to cure cancer -in addition- to the righteousness of sex trafficking, ethnic cleansing and genocide....all under cover of some great global conspiracy with agents here on these very boards?  

What makes you think I'm not one of Them™, working to suppress your great truth?  When's the last time you checked your closet..or under your bed?  We could be anywhere.

People reveal themselves by what they say, "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." Yet I can't tell who you are.
But whatever you say, you cannot suppress truth, you can only promote it.
So, no matter which way you look at it, you are helping - big time !

[The Grand Nudger]

-With friends like me.  

How much "truth", in your estimation....did I promote in the quoted bit?

[Chad32]

Well some ideals are obviously better than others. If you think we should let god run everything, then a theocracy is what you're recommending. There is a reason having one person call all the shots doesn't work. Because one person can't be trusted with full power over an entire population. Case in point, Yahweh's solution to just about everything seems to involve killing people, which obviously hasn't solved Humanity's problems.

I am convinced that God overrules the affairs of the world anyway, whether we like it or not, and whether we recognise it or not. 
The Bible has recorded numerous aspects and variations of Divine intervention. A theocracy was only a part of it. It is up to the reader to judge those actions. 

As for the "killing" that keeps popping up, if I was living peacefully and a hoard of grubby Philistines came over the hill to kill my village, I'd be happy if God made them pass away.

I agree with everyone's point of view about the despotic images of God that seem to be written, but proper investigation reveals far more than meets the eye. 
Preconceived ideas have to be laid down when making a sincere inquiry. 

I am not in favor of a theocracy, because it is a temporary solution, which if the people don't want to work with, it ends up being a substitutionary political system, which was not intended, because God is into a family setup, not policies and hierarchies. 
But there are plenty of people (in power) who would love the have the church rule again, and their wishes will come true for the entire globe - fortunately for a short time only.

He's in charge of everything. So it's his fault we got Trump as president in America. Super. And christians, and jews, and muslims, who are all Abrahamic religions, have been warring with each other for centuries over how to worship the same god. How are we supposed to tell the difference between a god who is inept at managing the world, and one who doesn't exist? Because if I was a god who had a chosen people, they'd be at the top of the world, and their lives would be considerably better than any other Human's, regardless of where they live. Someone could set up a house in the Arctic Circle, and grow crops there. That's how you let other people know that you're real, and following you is the high life.

If I worshiped a god who was supposed to be real, and all powerful, and a bunch of grubby Philistines came over and wrecked your shit, then I'd pick a different god. And if if he was real, killing off sections of the population does not solve the problem, except in the most temporary terms. Where is the social reform in your book? The best we get is saying don't beat your slaves/servants to death, and make sure you pay the bride price and marry the girl you just raped in the field. That kind of thing. No equality. No helping people rise up and better themselves.

I agree that preconceived notions must be laid down, yes. We just disagree on which one of us need to lay them down.
If you want people to all turn to god, and follow the bible in their lives and laws and such, you're advocating theocracy. And yes it doesn't work in the long run. That should be a red flag right there. And why do people think god is about family anyway? Jesus didn't think much of families when he talked about them. Your enemies will be the members of your own household.

[The Grand Nudger]

If these folks really want their god to be relevant going forward, so that people turn to them rather than away from them..they're going to have to honor the time-tested tradition of a re-write.  

The new testament is getting awfully old. Maybe god can poke his head back in and chat up some nobody in the middle of nowhere....again?