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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 24, 2017 at 7:24 pm
(November 24, 2017 at 7:07 pm)alpha male Wrote: 1. Judgment isn't murder.
What are newborn babies guilty of? No wait, let me guess, original sin?
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 24, 2017 at 7:25 pm
(This post was last modified: November 24, 2017 at 8:50 pm by Chad32.)
We're calling many of his judgements into question, though. And it's special pleading to say it's ok when he does it, despite that when any other tyrannical dictator does the exact same thing, they're considered evil.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 24, 2017 at 7:28 pm
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(November 24, 2017 at 7:07 pm)alpha male Wrote: (November 23, 2017 at 4:31 am)Bow Before Zeus Wrote: If we are to take the bible literally (as the original authors intended it) we read that the xtian god is responsible for mass murder (eg flooding the world killing millions of living beings), infanticide (eg the Egyptian exodus), the destruction of entire villages (Sodom and Gomorrah), etc, etc. I can't go on for two reasons. It is a horrific litany of murders and it is a very long list. Suffice it to say it is a list of murders estimated in the vicinity of 25 million people let alone all the other living beings. For those interested, you can see the complete horrific list here:
Drunk With Blood
So, my question to the xtians is, how do you reconcile an "ethical" god with the god in the bible that has committed all these atrocities?
Two ways off the top of my head, take your choice:
1. Judgment isn't murder. He is judge, jury and executioner. Murder is killing. Killing is unethical. God is unethical. Simple logical conclusion.
Quote:2. Looking at ourselves, it's special pleading to call such actions atrocities. Consider that on a bellyful of leftover turkey...
NO! I don't eat my relatives, but thanks for the offer. Really? Is it special pleading to call 9/11 an atrocity? Mass murder is an atrocity no matter to whom it is attributed.
Quote: (November 23, 2017 at 5:32 pm)Bow Before Zeus Wrote: And here I was thinking that the dearth of xtian responses on this thread was due to the fact that there is no possible justification.
No, it's because we've heard this a zillion times before. I'm only responding because you're particularly douchy.
Oops, yet another personal attack. The tally increases...
Xtians attacking BBZ: several million + 1
BBF attacking xtians: 0
Still holding to my ethics...
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 24, 2017 at 8:52 pm
It's kind of an issue when people want to say he's this good, worthy god, and ignore or explain away his bad deeds. People want to say he can't be compared to ruling men, but how are we going to judge him worthy without comparisons? Just based on what he says about himself? Because actions kind of speak louder than words.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 24, 2017 at 9:07 pm
(November 24, 2017 at 8:52 pm)Chad32 Wrote: It's kind of an issue when people want to say he's this good, worthy god, and ignore or explain away his bad deeds. People want to say he can't be compared to ruling men, but how are we going to judge him worthy without comparisons? Just based on what he says about himself? Because actions kind of speak louder than words.
Yes, this is a good point. So what I am asking for from the xtians is not a justification of his actions because they cannot be justified as ethical. What I'm asking for is how a xtian can reconcile the unethical actions against what they perceive to be an ethical religion? And even against their own ethics.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 24, 2017 at 9:31 pm
(November 24, 2017 at 8:52 pm)Chad32 Wrote: It's kind of an issue when people want to say he's this good, worthy god, and ignore or explain away his bad deeds. People want to say he can't be compared to ruling men, but how are we going to judge him worthy without comparisons? Just based on what he says about himself? Because actions kind of speak louder than words.
And the most reasonable explanation for that is that xhristards are fucking hypocritical bastards.
There. That was easy.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 24, 2017 at 9:44 pm
Tribalism at work. Our side is good by default. Their side is bad. Fear sharia law, as christians do their best to make America a christian theocracy.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 25, 2017 at 6:57 am
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(November 24, 2017 at 7:28 pm)Bow Before Zeus Wrote: He is judge, jury and executioner.
Exactly. It's special pleading to refer to killing by such as murder.
Quote:Murder is killing. Killing is unethical. God is unethical. Simple logical conclusion.
Rather, a simplistic conclusion based on a faulty premise. While murder is necessarily killing, killing isn't necessarily murder. My late father volunteered to go to Europe and kill Germans. No one called him a murderer. Millions of turkeys were eaten in the US a couple days ago. They were killed. Police aren't raiding the turkey farms.
Quote:NO! I don't eat my relatives, but thanks for the offer. Really? Is it special pleading to call 9/11 an atrocity?
No, but it would be special pleading to call the killing of Bin Laden murder, at least in the US. Those SEALs weren't put in jail for it that I recall.
Quote:Mass murder is an atrocity no matter to whom it is attributed.
You haven't established anything God has done as murder.
Quote:Oops, yet another personal attack. The tally increases...
Xtians attacking BBZ: several million + 1
BBF attacking xtians: 0
Still holding to my ethics...
Yeah, the ethical child abuser.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 25, 2017 at 7:17 am
I don't hold any judgement on god. The thing is far from proven an hypothesis, let alone to exist. So what is yor point exactly?
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 25, 2017 at 8:17 am
We did mention the killing of babies, Alpha. And when someone mentions an individual acting as judge, jury, and executioner, it's not meant as a virtue. If someone has complete control, with no checks and balances, corruption is inevitable.
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