How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?

[Banned]

It took me a lifetime to work out the moral and ethical issues in the Bible, because some of them are really tricky.

When you first read, you naturally judge by your experiences and attitudes, and when something is irreconcilable with what you think is ethical, then you are faced with the task of working out the truth or rejecting it.

I remember I had a real issue with the execution of women and children, (as if it's ok to kill a man !) 
And there are many examples of what I thought were total miscarriages of justice...

For example. there was this city whose inhabitants declared war on Israel. Some of these cultures lived for war, and would do it only for the sake of it.

God told Israel to create a scene where their armies were to flee, only to ambush the city from another angle. 

Every human being in that city came out after the Israelites, man, woman AND CHILD, sorry, but there were no children at all, the children were systematically sacrificed as part of their lifestyle, if one can call it that, so that they could have their rituals without the care for their offspring. Really cruel practices. All the children were already dead.

God ordered them all to be wiped out - their whole culture was to disappear from off the face of the earth. Including its diseased and neglected animal life, because the people had sex with the poor confused animals, and they sacrificed them as well. Then the city was to be burned to the ground.

Many of these cultures, would select the children in their infancy, through various rituals such as "passing through the fire."
The intelligent and sensitive child, would most likely be the one who is aware of the danger, would hesitate to run through the flames, it would be killed (sacrificed) as a failure, it wasn't 'brave.' 
This method of selection, gradually wiped out the intelligent genes in the race, until the nation consisted of pure warmongering brutes.
When a culture reached this stage after decades and even centuries of rebellion against the God of heaven, they were terminated - all of them, with their thickened offspring.

The Israelites were also so thick that they too practiced cruel pagan rituals, and that's when the baby loving God would allow them to be taken captive by the surrounding nations.

What happens to the innocent children which died under these "abominations" ?

They will be resurrected and have a safe place in heaven, when the time comes. Angels and human families will adopt them and raise them.
But this is not directly mentioned in the Bible, because it is one of the teachings of those who practice sacrificing babies (even today) that the (murdered) child is saved by the ritual, and goes to heaven. Despite that hideous excuse, they hurt the baby, raping it, cutting off its limbs, peeling back its skin while alive and burning it, etc.

The specific organisations which have been doing this for centuries, and still do so today in secret, (over 60,000 every year in the US) are headed by the Vatican, which hides under the cloak of 'Christianity' through the Roman Catholic church system, which is subdivided into many secret societies, as well as major organisations world wide, including Freemasons, business giants and the world banks. All religion and all politics are infested by the same system. 

There are millions of well meaning people in religious and political institutions who will be made aware of this, and they will be given a special sign and opportunity to stand up against this, as they already are doing, as the corruptions of the highest orders are being exposed. 

Child sexual abuse cases are only the tip of the iceberg. These are the ones who lived to tell.

You may be interested in the story of the Candy Girl - Fiona Barnett Candy Girl Documentary Part 1 of 2 / Satanic Ritual Abuse - YouTube.

Then we might like to ask the question, if a whole society is full of abusers, and there is not one righteous, does God have to right to drown them by billions, as in Noah's day?

[Godscreated]

 Correct, yet He is invincible. That is the eternal punishment not living in the moment.

GC

I find that very questionable. As much as anyone who thinks they have cart Blanche to do whatever they want just because they created something a long time ago. Nothing is truly invincible. Given enough power, anything can be threatened. Your god certainly seemed threatened by Humans growing too powerful in the older bible stories. "They've taken from the tree of knowledge, and have become like us Hurry and stop them from eating the fruit of eternal life".

 God stopped them from eating from the tree of life so they would not have to live for eternity in their sin, that is reserved for those in hell.

GC

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 He can't murder, that would be a sin and against who God is. God is the perfect, righteous creator who owns all the universe and all that it contains. It is His right to deal with it as He see's fit in accordance to His plan. God also judges the people who die before their lives are taken and if found guilty He has the right to end those lives, they actually belong to Him. You as all people think and live in a physical world, God deals in the spiritual and spiritual world, this means we are incapable of seeing the real truth as God eternal does.

GC

He killed millions of living beings. That's not perfect or righteous, that's unethical.

 Really how so, those lives belong to Him, he allows us to live this life even though He owns it. We are here to make a choice of who will will trust our eternal lives to God or ourselves. 
Before you question God you need to come to an understanding of his authority over His creation, your judgement of God doesn't effect the truth and reality of His existence and what he does with what He created.

GC

[The Grand Nudger]

Every human being in that city came out after the Israelites, man, woman AND CHILD, sorry, but there were no children at all, the children were systematically sacrificed as part of their lifestyle, if one can call it that, so that they could have their rituals without the care for their offspring. Really cruel practices. All the children were already dead.

God ordered them all to be wiped out - their whole culture was to disappear from off the face of the earth. Including its diseased and neglected animal life, because the people had sex with the poor confused animals, and they sacrificed them as well. Then the city was to be burned to the ground.

This......is absurd.  

Many of these cultures, would select the children in their infancy, through various rituals such as "passing through the fire."
The intelligent and sensitive child, would most likely be the one who is aware of the danger, would hesitate to run through the flames, it would be killed (sacrificed) as a failure, it wasn't 'brave.' 
This method of selection, gradually wiped out the intelligent genes in the race, until the nation consisted of pure warmongering brutes.
When a culture reached this stage after decades and even centuries of rebellion against the God of heaven, they were terminated - all of them, with their thickened offspring.

Heil Jehovah!

Then we might like to ask the question, if a whole society is full of abusers, and there is not one righteous, does God have to right to drown them by billions, as in Noah's day?

Nope.

[Aroura]

I'm against the death penalty, no matter if man or God is executioner. Only the weak minded resort to killing when there are other options.

[John V]

Ok, I see what you are doing here. You are creating a special form of killing called murder

I'm creating nothing. Distinctions between kill and murder are well known.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/kill?s=t
kill
1. to deprive of life in any manner; cause the death of; slay.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/murder?s=t
murder
1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law.

Murder is a subset of killing. The vast majority of killings aren't murder.

You know this. I have to conclude that you're just a troll.

[Chad32]

I find that very questionable. As much as anyone who thinks they have cart Blanche to do whatever they want just because they created something a long time ago. Nothing is truly invincible. Given enough power, anything can be threatened. Your god certainly seemed threatened by Humans growing too powerful in the older bible stories. "They've taken from the tree of knowledge, and have become like us Hurry and stop them from eating the fruit of eternal life".

 God stopped them from eating from the tree of life so they would not have to live for eternity in their sin, that is reserved for those in hell.

Well given that sin is a thing he made up for whatever he doesn't like, it's a given that he feels threatened by it somehow. The happiest countries in the world tend to be secular mixes of democracy and socialism. Two things that are about as far from a theocratic dictatorship as it can get. He has a yearning to be needed. Either as a source of knowledge, like in the garden, or a source of dependency like when he wrecked the tower of babel because Humanity was uniting under one goal, and it didn't revolve around him. If he wanted sheep so badly, he should have just stuck with making sheep.

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I'm against the death penalty, no matter if man or God is executioner. Only the weak minded resort to killing when there are other options.

This is what I believe too. Even if you think killing is fine, it's not something he should have to resort to. As powerful as he is, he had other options. As far as the bible is concerned he seems to just give commands, and if they're not followed he goes straight to the extreme end of killing people. There's no in between there.

[Whateverist]

Ok, I see what you are doing here. You are creating a special form of killing called murder

I'm creating nothing. Distinctions between kill and murder are well known.

Okay then.  Maybe you're just gleefully accepting your marching orders where killing is concerned.  We who don't acknowledge the authority of your ancient cult call this murder.

[chorlton]

special pleading
nothing more needs said

ok for the god monster but not man: special pleading 101

[The Grand Nudger]

We call it murder today even when we -do- recognize the authority that issued the order.  We call them warcrimes.  We also reject the notion of people as property. Two subjects that elude almighty god..in his benevolent omniscience.

We hear, today, from Decent People™ that god can do whatever he wants with us, because he owns us. We hear, from Decent People™...today.....that ethnic cleansing is kosher when yahweh commands it. That these people get god wrong is not nearly as astonishing as them having gotten those two items wrong. God, at best, is banal fiction.....the willingness to normalize or justify banal fiction by a vocal acceptance of either of those things...however, is disturbing. You'd think we might have learned something since the mythology became popular...and the point of magic book is..ostensibly, to teach us something.

Is the message really that when god does or says to do something..no matter what it is, we should stand at attention and sig fucking heil? Is there some requirement that a modern believer justify the atrocities imagined by an ethnocentric culture and attributed to god?

[John V]

special pleading
nothing more needs said

ok for the god monster but not man: special pleading 101

I held back from mentioning this on another thread, but since you insist: you don't really know what special pleading is. You need to consider whether there are significant relevant differences between the agents and/or circumstances. If so, it's not special pleading. For example, allowing certain behaviors for adults but not children usually isn't special pleading.