How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?

[The Grand Nudger]

You can find every thing that you find in meat in fruits, nuts, beans, vegies, root foods without all the crap that you find in meat.                                     Why eat crap when you can avoid it?
Is just behind me!    Why turn your body into a deposit for excrements?   It just puzzle me how some people are so so stupid!

Good question, why -do- you lap up shit, anyway?

[Angrboda]

You can find every thing that you find in meat in fruits, nuts, beans, vegies, root foods without all the crap that you find in meat.                                     Why eat crap when you can avoid it?
Is just behind me!    Why turn your body into a deposit for excrements?   It just puzzle me how some people are so so stupid!

The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics warns of the risk of vitamin B12 deficiencies in vegetarians and vegans. Vitamin B12 is found naturally only in animal products. A lack of vitamin B12 can lead to anemia and blindness. It can also cause muscle weakness, tingling, and numbness. To counteract the increased risk, vegans should include B12 supplements, or fortified cereals and veggie burgers.

https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/guide...vegan-diet

Wrong!

[Little Rik]

It is quite understandable that if you haven’t got any choice you got to eat whatever you can grab but these days are now gone at least in the west.

[Fireball]

My dad grew up on a farm in rural Minnesota. One of his favorite things was squirrel gravy. He'd hunt them especially for the flavor. I've never eaten squirrel. though.  My dad's family was as poor as piss on a plate, so I'll bet they ate the rest of the squirrel, as well.

Do you have an actual comment, or are you just going to quote people? This is twice that this has happened. To be honest, your commentary is right there with something Piglet from the Winnie the Pooh books would have (when you do comment), so if you don't come up with a response, I'll have my solution.

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My dad grew up on a farm in rural Minnesota. One of his favorite things was squirrel gravy. He'd hunt them especially for the flavor. I've never eaten squirrel. though.  My dad's family was as poor as piss on a plate, so I'll bet they ate the rest of the squirrel, as well.

Greasy dark meat chicken, basically.  You;re probably not missing much.  They won't exactly give you a mouthgasm.   They're bushy rats.

Around here in southern California, I call squirrels "fluffy-tailed rats". So, I'm not missing much, I guess.

[Little Rik]

Do you have an actual comment, or are you just going to quote people? This is twice that this has happened. To be honest, your commentary is right there with something Piglet from the Winnie the Pooh books would have (when you do comment), so if you don't come up with a response, I'll have my solution.

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Greasy dark meat chicken, basically.  You;re probably not missing much.  They won't exactly give you a mouthgasm.   They're bushy rats.

Around here in southern California, I call squirrels "fluffy-tailed rats". So, I'm not missing much, I guess.

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There is a very good reason why I mess up my posts. I am far away from home and my beautiful computer. I am not used to my wife i pad beside here the reception is terrible. Bears with me for two more weeks. Thanks

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You can find every thing that you find in meat in fruits, nuts, beans, vegies, root foods without all the crap that you find in meat.                                     Why eat crap when you can avoid it?
Is just behind me!    Why turn your body into a deposit for excrements?   It just puzzle me how some people are so so stupid!

The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics warns of the risk of vitamin B12 deficiencies in vegetarians and vegans. Vitamin B12 is found naturally only in animal products. A lack of vitamin B12 can lead to anemia and blindness. It can also cause muscle weakness, tingling, and numbness. To counteract the increased risk, vegans should include B12 supplements, or fortified cereals and veggie burgers.

https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/guide...vegan-diet

Wrong!

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Wrong again yog.
All really depends about your body-mind, about your ethnic group and other things as well.
Take many Hindus. For countless generations eat only veg. food and they are ok.
No b12 supplements and yet they are ok. It is all in the mind yog. West medicine know very little about the mind. In the west is a different story. For countless generations peoples eat meat and obviously their bodies takes time to make the change so b12 supplement are important. I follow mother nature system. I see how herbivores do. They eat grass yet their flesh is loaded with b12. Guess why yog?
It is beacause microorganisms are all around the grass so when animals eat the grass they also eat microorganisms that are loaded with b12. I do something similar. When I pick up vegies and herbs from my garden I do not wash them unless they are muddy or dirty after the rain. No need to eat meat yog yet after a life time that I don t eat meat I am quite healthy.

[Angrboda]

Wrong!

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Wrong again yog.
All really depends about your body-mind, about your ethnic group and other things as well.
Take many Hindus. For countless generations eat only veg. food and they are ok.
No b12 supplements and yet they are ok. It is all in the mind yog. West medicine know very little about the mind. In the west is a different story. For countless generations peoples eat meat and obviously their bodies takes time to make the change so b12 supplement are important. I follow mother nature system. I see how herbivores do. They eat grass yet their flesh is loaded with b12. Guess why yog?
It is beacause microorganisms are all around the grass so when animals eat the grass they also eat microorganisms that are loaded with b12. I do something similar. When I pick up vegies and herbs from my garden I do not wash them unless they are muddy or dirty after the rain. No need to eat meat yog yet after a life time that I don t eat meat I am quite healthy.

Indian vegetarians are mostly lacto-vegetarians or ovo lacto-vegetarians and dairy products have always been their main source of B12. Also, most Indians accumulate variety of B12-producing gut flora from unclean environments they are exposed to (e.g, uncleaned vegetables, fruits, and water).

That being said, it would be wrong to assume that Indian vegetarians are doing fine for generations. B12 and other nutritional deficiencies are very common in India, more so in vegetarians, especially women, elderly or poor. Many cases of chronic B12 deficiency in Indians are either asymptomatic or undiagnosed.

By the way, you're Australian, not Indian, so the gut flora argument doesn't work for you. All you're accomplishing is exposing yourself to contaminants. Studies show that Indians abroad, removed from their native environment, exhibit high levels of nutritional deficiency.

[Angrboda]

In this issue of the Journal, Refsum et al (4) report that ≈75% of a selected urban population from India (Pune, Maharashtra State) had metabolic evidence (hyperhomocysteinemia and methylmalonic acidemia) consistent with cobalamin deficiency [B12] that can only partly be explained by a vegetarian diet.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/74/2/1...f_ipsecsha

Your original claim was that, "You can find every thing that you find in meat in fruits, nuts, beans, vegies, root foods without all the crap that you find in meat." However, even you acknowledge that this is not true, that you need to supplement it with bacteria and other incidentals from the environment. Supplementing is supplementing, whether it comes from a pill or from dirty water. Moreover your assertion is only consistent with those who can supplement their diet with these intestinal flora. For the greater part of the world, either the environment doesn't provide such, or the food delivery system upon which the people depend cannot provide it. So, no, they cannot "find every thing that you find in meat in fruits, nuts, beans, vegies, root foods." Your original claim was both false, and your expanded claim represents a pie in the sky impracticality which is only available to a select few. So, no, you are simply wrong.

[The Grand Nudger]

Around here in southern California, I call squirrels "fluffy-tailed rats". So, I'm not missing much, I guess.

We call em tree rats in the south.  Not to be confused with sky rats and fence rats. 

[Whateverist]

You can find every thing that you find in meat in fruits, nuts, beans, vegies, root foods without all the crap that you find in meat.                                     Why eat crap when you can avoid it?
Is just behind me!    Why turn your body into a deposit for excrements?   It just puzzle me how some people are so so stupid!

The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics warns of the risk of vitamin B12 deficiencies in vegetarians and vegans. Vitamin B12 is found naturally only in animal products. A lack of vitamin B12 can lead to anemia and blindness. It can also cause muscle weakness, tingling, and numbness. To counteract the increased risk, vegans should include B12 supplements, or fortified cereals and veggie burgers.

https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/guide...vegan-diet

Wrong!

Try to use littler words so he can understand.

[Little Rik]

In this issue of the Journal, Refsum et al (4) report that ≈75% of a selected urban population from India (Pune, Maharashtra State) had metabolic evidence (hyperhomocysteinemia and methylmalonic acidemia) consistent with cobalamin deficiency [B12] that can only partly be explained by a vegetarian diet.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/74/2/1...f_ipsecsha

Your original claim was that, "You can find every thing that you find in meat in fruits, nuts, beans, vegies, root foods without all the crap that you find in meat." However, even you acknowledge that this is not true, that you need to supplement it with bacteria and other incidentals from the environment. Supplementing is supplementing, whether it comes from a pill or from dirty water. Moreover your assertion is only consistent with those who can supplement their diet with these intestinal flora. For the greater part of the world, either the environment doesn't provide such, or the food delivery system upon which the people depend cannot provide it. So, no, they cannot "find every thing that you find in meat in fruits, nuts, beans, vegies, root foods." Your original claim was both false, and your expanded claim represents a pie in the sky impracticality which is only available to a select few. So, no, you are simply wrong.

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My original claim stand up very well yog.
As far as you eat those items that I mentioned (plus grains that I forgot to mention) then you get your b12.
If however you wash them up you strip them of the microorganisms that carry b12.
In that case you need a b12 supplement but I don t because I know how to deal with the issue. Also my doctor that check me regularly has nt found any deficency of b12 on me.
Most people however do not know how to deal with the issue so they need supplements that is their problem and therefore doesn t mean I
was wrong.
Also your link about Indian vegetarian is a load of BS.
India in the last 50 years has changed more than in the last 500 years. From a traditional way of life to a fast race to catch up with the west. In this way they screwed up all the good that they had. That means also their health.
No wonder that their bodies lack so many vitamins including b12.
India heavy pollution also drains your body from all good things you carry in your body.
Obviously the study you present did nt take in consideration of all these issues.