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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 3:01 pm
(November 29, 2017 at 2:53 pm)Shell B Wrote: (November 29, 2017 at 2:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: In that case, I can only speak for my own faith and say that we do not consider it sinful to eat meat. So, justification isn't necessary.
Well, you've kind of justified it by saying it isn't sinful. That's your justification. As for me, I justify it on basis of being hungry and liking the taste. If that's not good enough for veggie types, tough.
I guess I wasn't calling it justification because in the context of the OP, he made it sound like it would be some sort of excuse - like that we know deep down that it's wrong but justify it anyway.
But if we're talking about *why* I don't find it sinful in the first place, I'll have to agree with you and most other people here. Humans are not herbivores - we need protein, and eating animals is not contrary to the natural order of the world. Food chain and all that.
Of course, now a days we have other options for protein like tofu, etc, and a person can survive that way without eating meats. I think it is admirable for a person to go that route, but I do not think it is morally necessary.
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 3:03 pm
Tofu is gross.
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 3:08 pm
(November 29, 2017 at 3:03 pm)Shell B Wrote: Tofu is gross.
I know, I tried out several different tofu recipes when i was trying to go pescatarian. I even tried marinating it overnight before I stir fried it. But nope, still gross.
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 3:27 pm
You gotta get the pickled tofu cubes, and deep fry them in peanut oil. That's the trick.
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 4:02 pm
(November 29, 2017 at 4:47 am)Alexmahone Wrote: I'm an atheist and a non-vegetarian but I can clearly see that raising and slaughtering animals for food is immoral. This is partly because of the appalling conditions under which most of these animals are raised and the fact that we are killing them for our benefit.
Do religious folks agree? If not, how do they ethically defend non-vegetarianism?
Dominionism. It's right there in the bible. Fuck all of you, I own all of it because god sez. The given instruction is so stated in the bible. I am unsure why it might be that you are uncertain about this.
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 4:08 pm
(November 29, 2017 at 4:47 am)Alexmahone Wrote: I'm an atheist and a non-vegetarian but I can clearly see that raising and slaughtering animals for food is immoral. This is partly because of the appalling conditions under which most of these animals are raised and the fact that we are killing them for our benefit.
Do religious folks agree? If not, how do they ethically defend non-vegetarianism?
Well, if you don't like to eat meat you can always eat metal.
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 4:45 pm
(November 29, 2017 at 3:27 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You gotta get the pickled tofu cubes, and deep fry them in peanut oil. That's the trick.
I'd rather be boiled in oil!
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 4:53 pm
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No, they're delicious. It's what I put in soups so that people don't know they're eating tofu...because I'm a sadist like that. Comes out like a crunchy potato cube with a light and almost spongy... but not quite chewy.... interior.
French fries on the outside, fluffiest omelette ever on the inside. Little shouroutang...some carrots, shrooms, bok choy. Nice big bowl of steamed rice. Nom Nom Nom. You could drop a human finger in the bowl and I'd probably eat it on principle.
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 5:04 pm
(November 29, 2017 at 4:02 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (November 29, 2017 at 4:47 am)Alexmahone Wrote: I'm an atheist and a non-vegetarian but I can clearly see that raising and slaughtering animals for food is immoral. This is partly because of the appalling conditions under which most of these animals are raised and the fact that we are killing them for our benefit.
Do religious folks agree? If not, how do they ethically defend non-vegetarianism?
Dominionism. It's right there in the bible. Fuck all of you, I own all of it because god sez. The given instruction is so stated in the bible. I am unsure why it might be that you are uncertain about this.
Without reference to the bible (since no one should have to read that thing) it is obvious that God intended us to eat animals. Otherwise, why would He have made them out of meat?
But I disagree with any dominion bullshit. That might have worked when we lived in small, scattered bands. But now that we control so much of the land we had better tend to the health of the food web. Otherwise if global warming isn't bad enough, a greatly denuded biosphere may be.
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 6:05 pm
(November 29, 2017 at 5:04 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (November 29, 2017 at 4:02 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Dominionism. It's right there in the bible. Fuck all of you, I own all of it because god sez. The given instruction is so stated in the bible. I am unsure why it might be that you are uncertain about this.
Without reference to the bible (since no one should have to read that thing) it is obvious that God intended us to eat animals. Otherwise, why would He have made them out of meat?
But I disagree with any dominion bullshit. That might have worked when we lived in small, scattered bands. But now that we control so much of the land we had better tend to the health of the food web. Otherwise if global warming isn't bad enough, a greatly denuded biosphere may be.
Well I have cover to cover twice and who knows how often in chunks. Two things stand out. Most christians have not read it at all,k thus missing exactly how horrible their deity really is, and most miss the borked morality that the bible promulgates.
Sure, if one is willing to brush such fundamental matters under the carpet, one could make up anything.
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