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Proud slaves of God.
#31
RE: Proud slaves of God.
(December 15, 2017 at 3:00 pm)Dnte Wrote: Nah, most people believe they'll get everything they want in heaven. They go on living their miserable existences thinking that that new car or that lush mansion will be theirs once they go to heaven. And that they'll never suffer again!

If heaven was a place where you only sit and praise God for all eternity, no one would believe in it. It would be boring! Could you imagine praising God for all the eternity without being able to sit up, take a break and eat an ice cream (alone)?

Nope! People think they'll get everything they want once they're dead. They think they'll never get sick and that they'll even get all the sex they want. Most christians will definitely deny it, but deep down in their hearts it's all they want! They want to be gorgeous, rich and healthy and that's why they are willing to give everything to their God because he's the one who's offering all those kind of things.

But the only thing they'll tell you about heaven is that it's a place where everyone gathers with their loved ones and sing kumbaya and no one ever suffers again for all eternity. They praise God and everyone is always happy! And that's it.

Dig deep into a christian mind's idea of what heaven is like and you'll find gorgeous women (if they're a straight man), endless money, never ending sex, a stream of never ending delicious food, cars, houses, pretty places, impeccable health, success and all that sht.

The sad christians (the ones who have lost a loved one) think they'll reunite with their dead family members in order to be happy, and what does that happyness consists of? Again: money, luxuries, singing, dancing, eating, etc.

I haven'f found a christian who believes that heaven is a place where you sit in front of God/Jesus and the only thing you do is pray all day long. If Hell offered them all those things I mentioned before, they'd rather go there, because people only want to get what they want! And sitting in front of God praying is certainly not at the top of their list! (well only if it gives them all those pretty things.)

^^^^THIS^^^^
Yes.  The fantasy for most of the Pentecostals I was raised with.  First, the rapture was going to happen, Jesus was going to take them straight to heaven, so they would never actually die.  Then they would be re-united with their family members that stayed faithful.  (God would not allow them to grieve over the ones that left the church. There is no sorrow or grief or loss or pain in heaven.)  Then they would be shown to the most beautiful dwelling place imaginable.  There is no hunger, no thirst, no want - whatever you desire, you get. Then at some point you would meet with Jesus and the angels and wise ones, and you could be taught anything you wanted.  The light of God would permeate everything, and joy and peace would fill you so much that you would praise God constantly.  Forever.


Even at 10 years old all I heard was "me me me".  Eternal Christmas morning for ME, never mind the billions of souls being tortured forever, me me me.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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#32
RE: Proud slaves of God.
(December 16, 2017 at 12:00 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(December 16, 2017 at 11:38 am)Drich Wrote: And if you are worship the real Jesus? fo reelzs?

What atrocities did he command what did He demand from His followers???

You guys are quick to point out how Jews worshiped God, but "WE" are not Jews. We do not have to cultivate and or tame the landscape There is not one who can wipe out the message of God now, which was true back then.

So following the rules of Christianity and not OT Judaism (as OT Judaism is all but a dead religion) how is it wrong to worship God?

So you are saying that jesus is not the god of the old testament.

But that's beside the point. A worshipper can be convinced to commit atrocities in the name of whatever they worship. You know this is true. It doesn't matter what the NT says what matters is what you can convince believers of and they a re a gullible bunch.
Are you saying Jesus was the God of the OT? Where is his named mentioned?

Your beside the point is moot, as the command issued are permeate and not up for discussion. as such they/we are locked into a 'morality' the exceeds anything pop culture has instituted apart from God.

You want to talk what if's when change is not possible.
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#33
RE: Proud slaves of God.
You're probably the first christian I've heard of that didn't make that claim. There's usually some verse my community touts where Jesus said he existed before his birth through Mary, then there's the whole trinity thing. But even if Jesus isn't the same guy, he still worshiped the god of the old testament. Which is barely a step down from being the same dude.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#34
RE: Proud slaves of God.
(December 18, 2017 at 11:10 am)Drich Wrote: Are you saying Jesus was the God of the OT? Where is his named mentioned?

Your beside the point is moot, as the command issued are permeate and not up for discussion. as such they/we are locked into a 'morality' the exceeds anything pop culture has instituted apart from God.

You want to talk what if's when change is not possible.

Jesus is supposed to be the god of the old testament or this there another god that you worship?

"In order to truly understand the Scriptures, it is critical to realize that the Lord God of the Old Testament was the one Who was [i]made flesh[/i] and became Jesus Christ, the Son of God. As we will see, “God” in the Old Testament is frequently translated from the Hebrew word [i]elohim[/i], which is a collective [i]plural[/i] noun that refers to a holy [i]family[/i] of spirit beings. Scripture reveals that there are at present [i]two[/i] Who are [i]Elohim[/i]—members of the [b]God Family[/b]: [b]God[/b], Who is called [b]the Father[/b] in the New Testament, and the one Who became Jesus Christ, and is thus now [b]God the Son[/b]. "

https://www.churchathome.org/articles/jesus-christ-lord-god-of-the-old-testament-and-son-of-god.html

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In order to truly understand the Scriptures, it is critical to realize that the Lord God of the Old Testament was the one Who was made flesh and became Jesus Christ, the Son of God. As we will see, “God” in the Old Testament is frequently translated from the Hebrew word elohim, which is a collective plural noun that refers to a holy family of spirit beings. Scripture reveals that there are at present two Who are Elohim—members of the God Family: God, Who is called the Father in the New Testament, and the one Who became Jesus Christ, and is thus now God the Son.
           
Who was Jesus? To understand Jesus’ preexistent state, we must go back to the beginning—as brought out by the apostle John. Here, John describes Jesus before He became human. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and not even one thing that was created came into being without Him. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men…. And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us (and we ourselves beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten with the Father)…” (John 1:1-4, 14).
        
If we read no further in the New Testament, we would know with certainty that Jesus was the God of the Old Testament and that He was the one Who created all things.” But there is so much more evidence. The apostle Paul, for example, shows that the God Who dealt with the nation of Israel was the one Who became Christ. “And they [the children of Israel] all drank of the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them. And that Rock was Christ” (I Cor. 10:4). Moses shows that the “Rock” was the one Who had created Israel. “You forgot the Rock Who brought you forth [from Egypt], and have forgotten the God Who formed you” (Deut. 32:18).
       
Here, Paul clearly tells us that Christ—not the one later known as God the Father—was the Jehovah that spoke with Moses and led the nation of Israel out of Egypt. Notice what Paul taught the Colossians: “Because by Him [Jesus] were all things created, the things in heaven and the things on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether they be thrones, or lordships, or principalities, or powers; all things were created by Him and for Him. And He is before all, and by Him all things subsist. And He is the Head of the body, the church; Who is the beginning, the firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He Himself might hold the preeminence” (Col. 1:16-18). In Hebrews, he wrote that “God, Who spoke to the fathers at different times in the past and in many ways by the prophets, has spoken to us in these last days by His Son, Whom He has appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds; Who, being the brightness of His glory and the exact image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His own power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high” (Heb. 1:1-2).
 
In a rather cryptic statement, Jesus identified Himself as the “I AM” of the Old Testament. “Jesus said unto them, ‘Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM’ ” (John 8:58). The statement correlated with the name by which Jehovah revealed Himself to Moses: “And God said to Moses, ‘I AM THAT I AM.’ And He said, ‘Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, “I AM has sent me unto you” ’ ” (Ex. 3:14). Indeed, Jesus existed well “before Abraham.” Just hours before His crucifixion, Jesus prayed, “And now, Father, glorify Me with Your own self, with the glory that I had with You before the world existed” (John 17:5)—referring directly to His preexistent state."



Change is possible where it comes to morality and that is a good thing as because the morality of the old mythical gods was despicable.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.




 








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