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[split]Science saved my soul.
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[split]Science saved my soul.
I have a question: at point 6:23 the commentator speaks of an experience.

Until we can explain this experience using words, how will we ever manage to convince people who are religious, that it is something else, that can be explained with Science.

Can you see the problem?

If the experience cannot be defined correctly, how do you explain it?
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RE: [split]Science saved my soul.
(November 4, 2010 at 4:02 am)ib.me.ub Wrote: I have a question: at point 6:23 the commentator speaks of an experience.

Until we can explain this experience using words, how will we ever manage to convince people who are religious, that it is something else, that can be explained with Science.

Can you see the problem?

If the experience cannot be defined correctly, how do you explain it?

The point is to not use that experience as a way of convincing them. He says that the reason we don't have a word to describe it is because religion steals these experiences and calls them religious. If I tried to describe my similar experiences then they would sound like religious experiences.
We don't need to bring in these types of experience to convince theists, we need only constantly barrage them with the evidence until their reason kicks in.
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RE: [split]Science saved my soul.
(November 25, 2010 at 1:40 am)Move127 Wrote:
(November 4, 2010 at 4:02 am)ib.me.ub Wrote: I have a question: at point 6:23 the commentator speaks of an experience.

Until we can explain this experience using words, how will we ever manage to convince people who are religious, that it is something else, that can be explained with Science.

Can you see the problem?

If the experience cannot be defined correctly, how do you explain it?

The point is to not use that experience as a way of convincing them. He says that the reason we don't have a word to describe it is because religion steals these experiences and calls them religious. If I tried to describe my similar experiences then they would sound like religious experiences.
We don't need to bring in these types of experience to convince theists, we need only constantly barrage them with the evidence until their reason kicks in.

I have to disagree with you. People will only use their reason if that reason is within the boundaries of their "reality" (in their case a made-up reality)
Quote:"An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity. "
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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RE: [split]Science saved my soul.
Quote:We don't need to bring in these types of experience to convince theists, we need only constantly barrage them with the evidence until their reason kicks in.

And loose their reasoning and become an atheist?
Strong atheism or anything similar doesnt make any sense.
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.

You dont hate God, you hate the church game.

"God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed." Saint Augustine

Your mind works very simply: you are either trying to find out what are God's laws in order to follow them; or you are trying to outsmart Him. -Martin H. Fischer
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RE: [split]Science saved my soul.
(November 4, 2010 at 4:02 am)ib.me.ub Wrote: I have a question: at point 6:23 the commentator speaks of an experience.

Until we can explain this experience using words, how will we ever manage to convince people who are religious, that it is something else, that can be explained with Science.

Can you see the problem?

If the experience cannot be defined correctly, how do you explain it?

A lot of humans (some don't although, including myself) have a well developed theory of mind, which lead generally to a teleological explanation for phenomenon. I suspect it was one of the causes in the development of deities and religion, good books which explains this development in some detail are Breaking the Spell by Daniel Dennett and The Evolution of God by Robert Wright.

Even in our supposedly modern societies where science has done a great job in explaining the workings of the universe, a lot of people will give a teleological explanation for phenomenon. Very few people don't have this mindset and attribute all phenomenon to totally naturalistic causes.
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