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Is there any "atheist values" like "Christian values"?
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RE: Is there any "atheist values" like "Christian values"?
(January 6, 2018 at 10:23 pm)pool the matey Wrote: One of the great things I feel like there is with Christianity is there are "Christian values", you absolutely have to align your values with these. Personally I think atheism can't have any values because it itself is a "lack of belief", so atheism by itself is simply the lack of something, even still it's still about perspective, a lack of something can still be seen as an addition of something else.

My question is, are there any atheistic values based on say science or reason? If yes, what are they? If no, suppose you could make certain values atheistic values then what would those be?

Back when you were an atheist, did you have 'atheistic values'? If so, care to elaborate?
Because asking me to make atheistic values feels like asking me to make a set of values based on not being able to swim. I don't get how you are supposed to get from a to b, so i'm drowning here dude.
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RE: Is there any "atheist values" like "Christian values"?
(January 6, 2018 at 10:23 pm)pool the matey Wrote: One of the great things I feel like there is with Christianity is there are "Christian values", you absolutely have to align your values with these. Personally I think atheism can't have any values because it itself is a "lack of belief", so atheism by itself is simply the lack of something, even still it's still about perspective, a lack of something can still be seen as an addition of something else.

My question is, are there any atheistic values based on say science or reason? If yes, what are they? If no, suppose you could make certain values atheistic values then what would those be?


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RE: Is there any "atheist values" like "Christian values"?
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RE: Is there any "atheist values" like "Christian values"?
(January 6, 2018 at 10:23 pm)pool the matey Wrote: One of the great things I feel like there is with Christianity is there are "Christian values", you absolutely have to align your values with these. Personally I think atheism can't have any values because it itself is a "lack of belief", so atheism by itself is simply the lack of something, even still it's still about perspective, a lack of something can still be seen as an addition of something else.

My question is, are there any atheistic values based on say science or reason? If yes, what are they? If no, suppose you could make certain values atheistic values then what would those be?

Christian values don't come from christianity. They are values which are a natural outhgrowth of our species' and cultures' shared evolutions, appropriated by christianity to give it false authority and importance.

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RE: Is there any "atheist values" like "Christian values"?
The right to swing your fist ends where the other guy's nose begins.

That's basically all you need.
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RE: Is there any "atheist values" like "Christian values"?
As far as non-biblical religious values, the repressed Victorian attitude toward sexuality has got to go. Sexuality should be discussed, especially with youth, not sweep under the rug as if it don't exist.
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RE: Is there any "atheist values" like "Christian values"?
(January 6, 2018 at 10:23 pm)pool the matey Wrote: One of the great things I feel like there is with Christianity is there are "Christian values", you absolutely have to align your values with these.
Oh...shit!  Did anyone tell that to the christians? Wink

Quote:Personally I think atheism can't have any values because it itself is a "lack of belief", so atheism by itself is simply the lack of something, even still it's still about perspective, a lack of something can still be seen as an addition of something else.
I don't know about the end there, but as to atheism not being a value system...ofc it's not.

Quote:My question is, are there any atheistic values based on say science or reason? If yes, what are they? If no, suppose you could make certain values atheistic values then what would those be?
Sure.  Most value theories, most of your own "christian" value theory is as atheistic as mine.
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RE: Is there any "atheist values" like "Christian values"?
(January 6, 2018 at 10:23 pm)pool the matey Wrote: One of the great things I feel like there is with Christianity is there are "Christian values", you absolutely have to align your values with these. Personally I think atheism can't have any values because it itself is a "lack of belief", so atheism by itself is simply the lack of something, even still it's still about perspective, a lack of something can still be seen as an addition of something else.

My question is, are there any atheistic values based on say science or reason? If yes, what are they? If no, suppose you could make certain values atheistic values then what would those be?

Really, claiming one virtue is more inherent to one culture than another is absurd, it's like this scene from Amadeus (skip to 6:30)






Although, honestly, I suspect if one could be said to be valued by atheists than Christians, I suspect it would be the ones related to knowledge. Although I know from personal experience that Catholicism claims to have the market cornered there.
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