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RE: Kingdom Hearts and Atheism
January 7, 2018 at 9:52 am
(January 7, 2018 at 9:17 am)Little Rik Wrote: Gee VL, you are an infinite source of knowledge. 
Can you please help LR to understand by showing the evidence that when..................... that brain dies, you will never laugh or love again..... 
I'll break it down Rik-style for ya...
When you die it's like 
 There's probably no heaven where you get to meet your cat Fluffy that you had when you were six.
Or Hell where you'll meet your gay uncle Jim. 
 Our mind's find it difficult to conceive of non-consciousness or oblivion, so it's easy to imagine life going on somehow.
 And this may be correct. Ultimately, I'm agnostic about whether there is an afterlife.
 But since neuroscientists observerve a causal link between the activity of a living brain and consciousness experience, it is reasonable to assume that all such conscious experience ceases when brain activity ceases.
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RE: Kingdom Hearts and Atheism
January 7, 2018 at 9:52 am
(January 7, 2018 at 9:17 am)Little Rik Wrote: Can you please help LR to understand by showing the evidence that when..................... that brain dies, you will never laugh or love again.....
Go check a graveyard for the relative level of love and mirth rising up like mist on the lawn.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Kingdom Hearts and Atheism
January 7, 2018 at 11:52 am
(January 6, 2018 at 11:41 pm)Mikeykitty123 Wrote: Hello everyone, this is Mikey. I am going to talk about Kingdom Hearts and how it corresponds with Atheism.
In Kingdom Hearts, there are creatures known as "Nobodies".
Human beings who have no hearts, or soul. Nobodies are believed to be just certain "accidents" and are nothing but empty husks with no emotion.
If a Nobody gets killed, their body returns to the person they were.
What's that have to do with atheism? Well everything.
Nobodies claim themselves "are not supposed to exist, yet we still do." Nobodies also lack a "heart", or a "soul" as they were treated as in the KH series.
It is kinda similar towards how some atheists believed that life was created by chance and/or there is no such thing as souls or the afterlife.
In KH Dream Drop Distance for 3ds, it is explained that Nobodies DO have hearts. Nobodies have simply evolved and learn to live just like the people who have hearts.
In other words, the hearts grew inside the Nobodies and the Nobodies become their own people.
It is very similar towards atheism, and the scientific theory of evolution. The idea of growing, evolving, into something more than they were.
And the part with how a Nobody returns to their original human form after they die is very similar towards the idea of "reincarnation" where if we die, we would be re-born again.
I hope you guys like my comparision. It is a lot less negative compared to my last post. Leave a comment on what you think. And you all have a great day!
1- get outside and enjoy reality.
2- atheism is the lack of belief of theistic claims.
3- Evolution is not what you portrayed, nor have anything to do with atheists. also its not pokemon or x-men. Go to school and study.
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RE: Kingdom Hearts and Atheism
January 7, 2018 at 11:58 am
(January 7, 2018 at 9:52 am)Khemikal Wrote: (January 7, 2018 at 9:17 am)Little Rik Wrote: Can you please help LR to understand by showing the evidence that when..................... that brain dies, you will never laugh or love again.....
Go check a graveyard for the relative level of love and mirth rising up like mist on the lawn.
Most my mates growing up were so scared of graveyards that they wagered if I remained an hour after midnight in a graveyard I would go mad with fear.
Knowing science those methane flames are kinda awesome. what do you call them in english? We call them fogos-factuous. little blue flames above graves, dancing.
There is no harm coming from graveyards. the denizens are quiet.
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RE: Kingdom Hearts and Atheism
January 7, 2018 at 12:04 pm
"Not supposed to exist" begs the question.
Mikey, I'm an avid gamer, but no game I've ever played has properly portrayed atheism. The closest I can think of are the Xeno games (Xenogears, Xenosaga, Xenoblade) which try to examine what a god could be, and whether or not they're necessary in our lives.
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RE: Kingdom Hearts and Atheism
January 7, 2018 at 12:26 pm
I wonder how old the OP is anyhow. My guess is between 11 and 14, max.
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RE: Kingdom Hearts and Atheism
January 7, 2018 at 1:15 pm
The OP might want to leave his or her game den and go out into the real world.
The word bed actually looks like a bed.
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RE: Kingdom Hearts and Atheism
January 7, 2018 at 1:41 pm
I wish I had a game den. I have a game hovel at best.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Kingdom Hearts and Atheism
January 7, 2018 at 1:57 pm
There is no such thing as a soul.
Emergent properties et al..
It's like people saying they feel something in their heart. If you do, see a doctor.
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RE: Kingdom Hearts and Atheism
January 7, 2018 at 7:14 pm
(January 7, 2018 at 9:51 am)Khemikal Wrote: (January 7, 2018 at 4:37 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Plato thought -snipped
So unkind to Plato, lol...and I understand his limitations...but..it reminds me of D&D nerds bickering about the powers of dragon.
Plato thought (unsnipped) that democracy was dangerous, especially with uneducated masses. His fear was that the system would become broken and unable to solve the simplest problems. At that point, said uneducated masses would come forth and elect a charming, self-obsessed, wealthy buffoon who had no skill no government--simply because he would convince them that he can "fix" everything. Sound familiar?
Plato is still relevant. He believed in the education of all citizens for the benefit of society. I strongly agree with Plato on this. If we had a robust system of education in place, available to all citizens, we'd be a lot better off right now. We'd also have a different president. 
He was one of the three bright lights in ancient Athens. He was incredibly insightful, and our intellectual history would have suffered without his influence.
If he/she can pass a saving throw vs bad idea, Plato has much to teach the modern reader too.
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