Admitting You're a Sinner

[vulcanlogician]

He doesn't care that his claims are false, Khem. All he cares is that his claims are accepted by some. In this regard, he is a politician, not a believer in any real sense.

[Banned]

Atheism is attempting self hypnosis, it is trying to convince oneself of somethin

Nope it requires no self convincing . Quite the opposite it not being able to convince yourself to maintain a lie.

I think you may be right.
Atheism was a natural reaction against (false) religion in the first place. France 1790 AD.
But I think they threw the baby out with the bath water.

When I say self hypnosis, I am talking about the fight against the conscience, which doesn't necessarily correlate with religious impositions (of the corrupt church/es).
From what I have read, there is a natural connection to God, which may be occluded by false religion, but remains intact until further notice.

This means that people who claim to be atheists, are not necessarily cut off from God as religions would like to promote.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's not -for- him vulcan, anymore than my responding to posters who have me on ignore is. Lurker traffic.

I know that getting a legit answer out of him will be like trying to pry a rabbit out of my beagles mouth. I don;t care. I'll provide endless opportunities for him to debase himself and his "religion" in the public square. He may be a complete waste of space as far as value of discussion.....but...

-he's one of the fruits, there they are. That's the kind of apple that falls from the tree. Rotten before it ever hits the ground. I could never hope to discredit the validity and decency of religious belief more thoroughly than the religious themselves.

[Banned]

It doesn't matter what definition I have on atheism, because atheists are not even clear about that themselves. 

Nope the differences in definition are minor ultimately it's simply not believing in theism . And none match you strawman . 

And I have already said why that is, it's because they are avoiding God in their minds. 

No you asserted a biased feel good explanation for yourself 

The Bible says - they don't like to retain the knowledge of God in their minds.

A cult shaking it's literary fist at it's foes . Means nothing .

And that leaves them with various ways of doing that - philosophical, argumentative, systems of thought, cliches, processes of denial etc.

Funny are you sure your not confusing atheists with theists . Because this sounds like projection .

Basically they'll stand on their heads to do it.

Again this sounds like theists not atheist.The mental pretzels you people tie yourselves into to defend your fables is amazing.

You only need to count the "ism's" and "ist's" of your post to get the drift of what I am saying.

[Astreja]

When I say self hypnosis, I am talking about the fight against the conscience...

My conscience does just fine without religion.

From what I have read, there is a natural connection to God...

I strongly suspect that what you have read is mere wishful thinking.  I see no way to have a "natural" connection to a fictional being.

[Banned]

What did you find to be a fairy tale, in magic book?

I'll stay on the forums long enough to tell you as much as possible.

[Amarok]

I think you may be right.

Atheism was a natural reaction against (false) religion in the first place. France 1790 AD.

Nope atheism has existed for way longer then 1790 . And there is no unified orgin of atheism it's popped up throughout time and across civilizations 

But I think they threw the baby out with the bath water.

Nope the turned out to be an imp 

When I say self hypnosis, I am talking about the fight against the conscience, which doesn't necessarily correlate with religious impositions (of the corrupt church/es).

This is pure babble 

From what I have read, there is a natural connection to God, which may be occluded by false religion, but remains intact until further notice.

Again babble 

This means that people who claim to be atheists, are not necessarily cut off from God as religions would like to promote.

Again more babble

---

You only need to count the "ism's" and "ist's" of your post to get the drift of what I am saying

Not really no just because there are ists and isms means little .

[vulcanlogician]

What did you find to be a fairy tale, in magic book?

I'll stay on the forums long enough to tell you as much as possible.

You are a dishonest fucker. Yet you assume the raiment of the honest. Good choice. Smooth move.

[Banned]

... I see no way to have a "natural" connection to a fictional being.

Neither do I.

---

I'll stay on the forums long enough to tell you as much as possible.

You are a dishonest fucker. Yet you assume the raiment of the honest. Good choice. Smooth move.

What was dishonest?
It's your thread, you can deviate as much as you like.

[The Grand Nudger]

Nope atheism has existed for way longer then 1790 . And there is no unified orgin of atheism it's popped up throughout time and across civilizations 

To wit...

There is no other world other than this;
There is no heaven and no hell;
The realm of Shiva and like regions,
are invented by stupid imposters.

The oldest expression of atheism -on record- .....coming to us by way of heterodox hinduism, circa 600BC.   Atheism (in history) was much more commonplace when the religious field was dominated by polytheism because polytheism is fundamentally more inclusive than monotheism.  If we dial the notch to way, wayback..we know that even aong the earliest proto-religious societies..there were people who did not always believe the things their group considered sacred to be sacred by the swift desecration of red ochre burials.  

If a tribe believes that somebody really needs their favorite axe in the afterlife and that it is good and proper to bury them with it in reverence...the fact that someone dug it up almost as quick as it was buried suggests -some- disagreement on that count between members of the group. Uncle Ogg wasn't buying any of that "summerland" business with the great horned elk...and he had mouths to feed. Atheism is as old as the human species, at least...and a great deal older than christianity, or any "false" religion one follower of some other false religion cares to point out. It's been with us for as long as we've had thoughts in our head.