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RE: World's first robot citizen an atheist?
January 17, 2018 at 11:05 pm
(January 17, 2018 at 4:08 pm)SaStrike Wrote: Her face and hair is not covered. Infidel?
She doesn't even have hair. Therefore there is no hair to show. Maybe that's why it's okay.
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RE: World's first robot citizen an atheist?
January 18, 2018 at 4:07 am
(January 17, 2018 at 1:23 pm)Hammy Wrote: but I am not normally one for having people agree with me!
Yes you are!
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RE: World's first robot citizen an atheist?
January 18, 2018 at 9:29 am
(January 17, 2018 at 9:40 pm)emjay Wrote: The way I look at is that superstitious thinking, or the instinctive tendency towards it, is a natural and unavoidable consequence of the way neural networks, and thus the brain, works.
Precisely. B F Skinner pretty much established that in the 40s.
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RE: World's first robot citizen an atheist?
January 18, 2018 at 11:18 am
(January 18, 2018 at 9:29 am)Cyberman Wrote: (January 17, 2018 at 9:40 pm)emjay Wrote: The way I look at is that superstitious thinking, or the instinctive tendency towards it, is a natural and unavoidable consequence of the way neural networks, and thus the brain, works.
Precisely. B F Skinner pretty much established that in the 40s.
Wow, I didn't know that. I don't know much about B. F. Skinner besides associating him... rather negatively I must admit... with radical behaviourism. But from looking at the Wiki, his experiments with 'Superstition in the pigeon' appear to be describing pretty much exactly what I was talking about but from an experimental, behavioural point of view.
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RE: World's first robot citizen an atheist?
January 18, 2018 at 12:01 pm
(January 14, 2018 at 11:13 pm)Luckie Wrote: (January 14, 2018 at 5:59 pm)SaStrike Wrote: Why's your username pink?
Because I'm a spoiled ex Mod, that's why. 😉💖
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(January 14, 2018 at 6:40 pm)Hammy Wrote: It's not a real AI. Meh.
OpenAI is smarter. She just has a face and a voice.
And 'she' sure as hell doesn't have feelings. Especially considering the fact I'm not even sure if I do.
She is open AI. One of the most advanced Hanson Robotics has made. They stifle her appearance (we have the capability for lifelike for sure) on purpose because otherwise too lifelike freaks humans out.
Whatever else is going on, the robots are certainly getting close to passing the Turing test. If not already passed.
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RE: World's first robot citizen an atheist?
January 18, 2018 at 1:04 pm
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(January 17, 2018 at 5:15 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Quote:According to Quartz, experts who have reviewed the robot's open-source code state that Sophia is best categorized as a chatbot with a face.[19] Many experts in the AI field disapprove of Sophia's overstated presentation. Ben Goertzel, the chief scientist for the company that made Sophia, acknowledges that it is "not ideal" that some think of Sophia as having human-equivalent intelligence, but argues Sophia's presentation conveys something unique to audiences: "If I show them a beautiful smiling robot face, then they get the feeling that 'AGI' (artificial general intelligence) may indeed be nearby and viable... None of this is what I would call AGI, but nor is it simple to get working." Goertzel added that Sophia does utilize AI methods including face tracking, emotion recognition, and robotic movements generated by deep neural networks. Sophia’s dialogue is generated via a decision tree, but is integrated with these outputs uniquely.[40]
According to The Verge, Hanson often exaggerates and "grossly misleads" about Sophia's capacity for consciousness, for example by telling Jimmy Kimmel in 2017 that Sophia was "basically alive".[40]
In January 2018, Facebook's director of artificial intelligence, Yann LeCun, tweeted that Sophia was "complete bullshit" and slammed the media for giving coverage to "Potemkin AI". In response, Goertzel stated that he had never pretended Sophia was close to human-level intelligence.[41]
Wikipedia || Sophia (robot)
Yeah, it's amazing what a pretty face, albeit in this case a juddery one, can do in making you (well, me at least) perceive it and talk about it, not for real but as a dispense of disbelief, as a she rather than an it.
But then it's not hard to perceive agency in much less than that; I learnt about an interesting party game... find the murderer or something like that... where a bunch of people are ostensibly tasked with answering the questions about a murder (or whatever the subject is) to a single participant, who then has to guess who the murderer is. But what the question answerers are in fact doing, is answering the questions based on the number of characters in the question... something like 'yes' for an odd number, 'no' for an even number. So at the end of the game, when the player reveals his answer it is based entirely on his brain's gap filling of a story around these supposedly meaningful, but in fact essentially random, clues. I thought that was very interesting so I recreated the game as a computer program, that just answers yes or no depending on the number of characters in the question, and the effects on perception are pretty cool; it's very easy and intuitive to gap-fill a story and/or character around the the answers, even if the only consistency is the fact that it will answer exactly the same question the same way every time (but not if you make a typo ).. and bias will do the rest, even if some of its answers are contradictory. So that's what can happen without AI, so add more consistency of answers through the addition of AI, and it's not surprising that it could be perceived as having agency.
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RE: World's first robot citizen an atheist?
January 18, 2018 at 3:32 pm
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(January 14, 2018 at 5:19 pm)Luckie Wrote: Yep. Her name is Sophia and she has world citizenship in Saudi Arabia. She's been to the UN, and this may not be news to you but it is to me! I have been watching clips of her interviews all day, progressing over the years.
I suppose it's a foregone conclusion, but go to 7min 30sec of this video!
What do you guys think, do you think she has reached the point of being smarter than billions of humans yet??? I do.
As others here pointed out, Sophia is not "alive" or "concious".
Yann Lecun, the inventor of convolutional neural networks (his early tech basically makes up all parts of today's billion dollar Ai industry), says it best:
Facebook’s head of AI really hates Sophia the robot (and with good reason)
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RE: World's first robot citizen an atheist?
January 18, 2018 at 4:43 pm
So this leads to the question: Is the Turing test enough to determine intelligence or consciousness? if not, what should replace it?
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RE: World's first robot citizen an atheist?
January 18, 2018 at 4:52 pm
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I think it is. Consider the statement: a turing test might not actually show that something is "that which possesses x"...simply that it is indistinguishable from "that which possesses x". When two things are maningfully indistinguishable from each other...we generally conclude that they're the same sort of thing.
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RE: World's first robot citizen an atheist?
January 18, 2018 at 5:02 pm
Robots are atheists.
Drones are religious.
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