Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist

[Catholic_Lady]

There are plenty of nice guys out there. But unfortunately there are plenty of jerks as well, who won't force anything on you, but who will take the opportunity to take full selfish advantage as much as you let them.

[Shell B]

Um, no. Because he previously said he brings these girls into his relationship with his wife. I don’t usually call people coming over to watch tv part of my marital relationship. That said, Tiz and I already went over our apparent glitch in communication. So, it’s understood between us that I could have misread it.

I do both . I have girls over as part of  our relationship though not always sexual  . I date girls were nudity is sometimes a feature of said date but there is no sex unless it's asked for . And yes i have had  non date acquaintances over were being in a state of nudity is no serious issue .(and again i'm dressed at first and ask if there comfortable with nudity ) And the same goes for my primary girlfriends they sometimes do the same with other men .

Just pointing out that I didn't assume anything. I inferred it from our obviously wonky conversation.

[Mermaid]

Unlike Grace, I was actually raped. The person responsible threatened my life and the life of my child. To those who think I don't know the difference - I do. Very much so. The person who raped me wasn't a celebrity. The person who raped me was someone whom I thought I could trust because unlike Grace, I knew this person. 

Oh - and unlike Grace, I never went to a reporter to get my story out.

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Exactly. But nice of people to bring up my actual rape and compare it to this. Like, what the actual fuck.

My guess that there are likely more women this forum who have been raped, or sexually abused in some way than not. 
And disturbingly high number of men as well.

Why do I think that? Because I find that case is real life. Tragically, these sort of events are not all uncommon.
People are ass.

The fact that someone's experience not have been as severe as your own, doesn't mean that it should negated and be subjected to the same victim-blaming you rightfully railed against when it pertained to you, does it? I'm not saying you should automatically believe any and every story presented, but must you utilize these shitty tactics when discussing it and coming to a judgement in a public forum where people can see it?

The premise doesn't even seem that she's lying, but that she "should've known better." Or that one shouldn't realistically expect to withdraw consent once it's been given. Or because someone doesn't take an opportunity to leave, that that they can't be forced to something and therefore MUST like it or at least be okay with it.

How do these sorts bullshit arguments these help anyone who experienced any sort of sexual assault, including rape?

So much this.

[Amarok]

I do both . I have girls over as part of  our relationship though not always sexual  . I date girls were nudity is sometimes a feature of said date but there is no sex unless it's asked for . And yes i have had  non date acquaintances over were being in a state of nudity is no serious issue .(and again i'm dressed at first and ask if there comfortable with nudity ) And the same goes for my primary girlfriends they sometimes do the same with other men .

Just pointing out that I didn't assume anything. I inferred it from our obviously wonky conversation.

I know i was just clarifying  

[Mermaid]

Are you sure she consented? 

Are you saying that allowing someone to take off your clothes is consent to have sex?

It's consent if you don't say "no" or "stop".

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. I really really hope so.

[Amarok]

It's consent if you don't say "no" or "stop".

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. I really really hope so.

I really really hope so.

[Athene]

If things went down as she says they did....and again, Mr. Ansari isn't disputing her account of what happened, including her statement about not wanting to feel forced; his only dissent has been that he thought she was "cool with it all"....then I believe she was justified in speaking the TRUTH and exposing this "fierce ally" and "dedicated advocate" for being the FRAUD that actually he is.

I can't add any more to what I've already said about how monumentally fucked up that is.

I suppose it is, if the truth does doesn't matter to you.

[Catholic_Lady]

It's consent if you don't say "no" or "stop".

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. I really really hope so.

Imagine this. Two people start making out. Clothes come off. They continue to make out, completely naked. Is it reasonable at that point for one of them to assume that its ok to reach for the others' genetelia?

If you're making out with someone and you both got naked and are making out naked, do you have to ask "may I touch your vagina?" If you do so without asking, is that sexual assault?

As I said before. Getting naked during a make out session certainly sends out a major non verbal cue.

[The Grand Nudger]

"But the bitch was naked, ofc she wanted to fuck!"

[Tiberius]

People are espousing opinions, and denigrating them on assumed motivations when you may or may not know why they're doing so is presumptuous at best and dishonest at worst.

Pot, meet kettle.

"Disrespecting feelings" goes along with all that.

Not sure about "agenda." It is my opinion.

Pay no attention to the username behind the post.