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RE: Devil serves God
January 25, 2018 at 10:51 am
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Banned Wrote:Antares Wrote:You assume too much. Like most people that were/are religious, I was indoctrinated at an early age. That is what I meant. Let me know if you're still not getting that.
I understood in the first place. I was a child that had its own mind, which unfortunately like yourself, a lot don't seem to think they have.
What do you mean by indoctrinated? People said things and you just ate it up?
When did you start to think for yourself?
Funny how the 'think for yourself' guy believes what he was taught to believe as a child and is wagging his finger at people who rejected what they were taught to believe as children. Hilariously lacking in self-awareness.
Banned Wrote:chimp3 Wrote:I simply asked the names of the daughters of Job! If you want to volunteer the names of his sons, feel free!
I was just helping you bag the story.
There are sources for the names of some of Job's daughters, none for his sons. They were very beautiful, apparently. At least the second set.
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RE: Devil serves God
January 25, 2018 at 10:58 am
(January 25, 2018 at 10:02 am)Banned Wrote: (January 25, 2018 at 8:32 am)shadow Wrote: Also, it makes literally no difference whether you are good with it or not. You're still just as dead. I'd personally love to live forever, but that doesn't mean I'm going to. It's actually a highly childish notion to think that pretending there's an afterlife somehow makes you immortal.
Yes, it is highly childish to think that you'll live forever. That's why Jesus said heaven is for people with a child like trust.
People forget what's it like to live without a care.
I have, it's called being an adult. So I don't wait for that chilled out feeling, I just believe.
I can't accept that people are born to perish.
Alright, that is you. You can't accept that people are born to perish. You don't want to.
Then don't pretend you are right. You're believing a fantasy because it makes you feel better. I call that childish. Now, I don't really care what stories you tell yourself to sleep better at night. But, if you choose that path, don't pretend you have any grounds in academia or reason or truth. You shouldn't be voting on those grounds, you shouldn't be making intellectual decisions on those grounds, and your religion shouldn't be running schools. The more society's systems are based on this kind of fallacy, the less good and effective they are at actually improving people's lives. I see that as evil, and it's why I am an antitheist.
If heaven is a place for "people with a child like trust" that sure as hell is not that place for me.
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RE: Devil serves God
January 26, 2018 at 1:18 am
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(January 25, 2018 at 10:44 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: I wasn't an atheist when I read that story, but it had a lot to do with me becoming an agnostic theist after I finished the Bible for the 2nd time. The part that really appalled me was when God replaced Job's children and that made killing the first batch okay, like the deaths of his previous family was no more significant than losing cattle. At least his new daughters were prettier, I'm sure that made it easier to marry them off advantageously. Win!
It's one way of interpreting the story.
(January 25, 2018 at 10:58 am)shadow Wrote: ...
Alright, that is you. You can't accept that people are born to perish. You don't want to.
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If heaven is a place for "people with a child like trust" that sure as hell is not that place for me.
Well it's good to know that you are not being forced to go where you end up.
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RE: Devil serves God
January 26, 2018 at 1:33 am
I think you might want to spend more time wondering where you'll end up.
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RE: Devil serves God
January 26, 2018 at 4:10 am
If god created man and angels, but only gave man free will doesn't that mean that angels are slaves and that Satan and his followers fought for their freedom?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Devil serves God
January 26, 2018 at 4:25 am
(January 26, 2018 at 4:10 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: If god created man and angels, but only gave man free will doesn't that mean that angels are slaves and that Satan and his followers fought for their freedom?
The angels have free will.
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RE: Devil serves God
January 26, 2018 at 5:53 am
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(January 26, 2018 at 4:25 am)Banned Wrote: (January 26, 2018 at 4:10 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: If god created man and angels, but only gave man free will doesn't that mean that angels are slaves and that Satan and his followers fought for their freedom?
The angels have free will.
And genies? Do they have free will?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Devil serves God
January 26, 2018 at 2:30 pm
(January 26, 2018 at 5:53 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (January 26, 2018 at 4:25 am)Banned Wrote: The angels have free will.
And genies? Do they have free will?
Do you have a free will, or is it impossible for you to stop playing games?
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RE: Devil serves God
January 26, 2018 at 11:11 pm
(January 26, 2018 at 2:30 pm)Banned Wrote: (January 26, 2018 at 5:53 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: And genies? Do they have free will?
Do you have a free will, or is it impossible for you to stop playing games?
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