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Poll: Were you consistent concerning the number of lives you saved?
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I was consistent: Same # of people lived/died in both experiments.
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3 17.65%
I was inconsistent: 5 died in one experiment, 1 died in the other.
82.35%
14 82.35%
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Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
(January 25, 2018 at 9:53 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: IDK about consistency, but I see thought experiments like these (and all of ethical philosophy in general) to be highly informative. As far as practical morality, the value is beyond measure. If anything, it shows people that there is more to ethics than obedience to certain societal mores.
Isn't that interesting...because if you were consistent..... perhaps you'd realize that they aren't worth shit, literally, toilet paper is more useful.  Aint nobody on earth who didn't already know that.  Wink

Quote:Are you familiar with the work of Lawrence Kohlberg? He plotted a system of moral growth whereby people start with simple obedience, then move on to seeing morality in terms of societal conformity, and finally end up realizing that they must become an autonomous moral agent to be truly moral. Exercises like these are good for working that part of the brain which is necessary for high-level moral consideration.
I am, by dumb luck, actually.  Moral growth is an interesting subject.  I'm in the midst of watching it, now, as a parent of many bastard ass children who aren't even close to being human beings yet.  They're just brute expressions of their mommy and daddy's ticks. She want's to love errybody, and my first response is always to kill it with fire.  

Quote:So long as we have evangelicals pushing an ethics which resembles low-level moral iterations (ie obedience, conformity), it benefits a public discussion to talk about how best to be a fully developed autonomous moral agent.

 I agree.  Maybe that will stop them from saying stupid shit like "from a purely naturalistic" this or that.  OTOH..LOLNO they will always say that.  Wink
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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
Strange that I was more interested in ethics than anything else in college. (Don't worry, I got a life later.) Now I just don't feel it. Meh. Kill them. Kill them all. Or not. Not my job to decide.
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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
See..I wasn't interested in ethics until after I had a pile of bodies behind me, and even moreso until I had a pile of me behind me.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
(January 26, 2018 at 12:30 am)Khemikal Wrote: See..I wasn't interested in ethics until after I had a pile of bodies behind me, and even moreso until I had a pile of me behind me.


That kind of makes more sense.
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(January 26, 2018 at 12:28 am)Whateverist Wrote: Strange that I was more interested in ethics than anything else in college.  (Don't worry, I got a life later.)  

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Alot like shame, you know? Wink
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
(January 26, 2018 at 12:39 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(January 26, 2018 at 12:28 am)Whateverist Wrote: Strange that I was more interested in ethics than anything else in college.  (Don't worry, I got a life later.)  

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I see you understood my "get a life" reference immediately.
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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
(January 26, 2018 at 12:39 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(January 26, 2018 at 12:28 am)Whateverist Wrote: Strange that I was more interested in ethics than anything else in college.  (Don't worry, I got a life later.)  

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It feels like understanding Kant.

No, I mean really understanding him.
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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
(January 24, 2018 at 11:35 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Regarding the trolley problem, trip the switch after the first truck passes thru the switch, but before the rear truck goes thru and the trolley will derail and save everybody.

Does that establish my railroading geek status ?? BTW, it would work. Similar accidents have happened in rail car sorting facilities since the advent of track switches. Apparently watching a long wheel base freight car so misaligned heading for it's inevitable tumble is an awesome sight!!

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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
(January 26, 2018 at 12:39 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(January 26, 2018 at 12:28 am)Whateverist Wrote: Strange that I was more interested in ethics than anything else in college.  (Don't worry, I got a life later.)  

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From which side of the activity?
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