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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
January 24, 2018 at 10:51 pm
Don't worry Chimp, there's still time! 
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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
January 24, 2018 at 10:52 pm
(January 24, 2018 at 10:51 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Don't worry Chimp, there's still time!
I know! They keep pushing me!
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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
January 24, 2018 at 11:16 pm
(January 24, 2018 at 1:20 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Plaeese, one individual being a donor match for 5 different individuals. Poppy cock!
Do the right thing and start a PCA morphine drip on the five. Give them a choice in their own fate. Give the potential donor some Tums and kick him/her out the door.
This is why I was inconsistent. Apart from the myriad of ethical issues raised by the organ transplant scenario, the odds that the guy with the stomach issues is even going to be a good match for all five of the patients who need his organs is pretty damn small and even then, there's a chance it will fail somewhere along the line.
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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
January 24, 2018 at 11:25 pm
If no fat people die, then what's even the point of studying ethics any more?
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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
January 24, 2018 at 11:34 pm
The ethics of tubby people, mark my words..will one day be the most serious issue facing mankind. I -already- see a handful of starving african families every time I look down to piss.
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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
January 24, 2018 at 11:44 pm
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A toddler is walking down the rail road tracks. A train is fast approaching. You have just enough time to push the toddler off the tracks but you will be killed. Would you sacrifice yourself?
I would not. Because in this oversimplified scenario no other humans exist. I would be dead. The toddler would die of starvation/ thirst. If I did not sacrifice myself I would be alive to ponder the fate of the only human alive. The runaway train will eventually run out of fuel.
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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
January 24, 2018 at 11:49 pm
(January 24, 2018 at 7:36 pm)SaStrike Wrote: (January 24, 2018 at 7:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: You're not killing an innocent person in the trolley scenario. You're changing the tracks so that the least amount of people are killed.
Sorry, innocent has no place in the dilemma, no idea why i included that, my bad.
If you were standing on a set of tracks that was safe and someone pulls a lever causing a train to hit you, pretty sure it's murder.
If you just did it for the hell of it, sure. Thats not the scenario presented though, and you're purposely leaving out the crucial part. If you do it because the train will either hit 5 people or 1, and youre trying to save the most amount of people, then no. Of course its not murder.
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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
January 24, 2018 at 11:56 pm
(January 24, 2018 at 11:44 pm)chimp3 Wrote: A toddler is walking down the rail road tracks. A train is fast approaching. You have just enough time to push the toddler off the tracks but you will be killed. Would you sacrifice yourself?
I would not. Because in this oversimplified scenario no other humans exist. I would be dead. The toddler would die of starvation/ thirst. If I did not sacrifice myself I would be alive to ponder the fate of the only human alive. The runaway train will eventually run out of fuel.
That's an awfully convoluted explanation. How bout, "lolno, ever met a toddler?"
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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
January 25, 2018 at 12:05 am
My answer is the same, as too with the 'fat bloke on the bridge' variant of the trolley problem...
Is the single individual a catholic priest?
If so, no-brainer.
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RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
January 25, 2018 at 12:09 am
(January 24, 2018 at 11:56 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (January 24, 2018 at 11:44 pm)chimp3 Wrote: A toddler is walking down the rail road tracks. A train is fast approaching. You have just enough time to push the toddler off the tracks but you will be killed. Would you sacrifice yourself?
I would not. Because in this oversimplified scenario no other humans exist. I would be dead. The toddler would die of starvation/ thirst. If I did not sacrifice myself I would be alive to ponder the fate of the only human alive. The runaway train will eventually run out of fuel.
That's an awfully convoluted explanation. How bout, "lolno, ever met a toddler?" I had to go to urban dictionary to look up "lolno". So yes, I was once a toddler, have 3 kids, and an 18 month old grandchild. Have worked as a pediatric nurse. Still, there are two humans in this scenario.
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